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I FINALLY give up
by mistermunster Fri Mar 11, 2011 2:05 am
Just got off the phone for the LAST time with my rabid conservative friend. After 25 year I've decided that knowing this person was a waste of TIME. I have and been watching lately episodes of All in the Family and came to the observation that all the arguments and or social topics of then are the SAME as today. Different decades, different names, same problems, same old tired debate or I should say disagreement. Anyway I was just pointing out to him this observation and he went on to the It's ALL OBAMA's and Dems FAULT. Now this clod is 57, out of work almost 2 years and at the end of his UI. But he finally just out right called me the MOST stupidest person ever and that I DID NOT know how the world works. (Standard rightwing tripe). Everything in his eyes are all the Democrats and unions fault. He will not accept ANY idea of corruption, greed or any other sins on part of the GOP and their allies. Reagan was GOD and saved us all. BLAH, BLAH, BLAH etc, etc, etc.
Then he hung up. All this from a simple observation that in 1971 the same things that plagued us then does so now. Nothing has change except the wealthy got RICHER and the rest of us got poorer and screwed. Both sides are to blame on many levels. It's hard to talk to such a closed mind who BELIEVES there is a commie/socialist hiding behind every door and they are ALL Democrats. Granted Carter was a rotten Prez, Bubba had his issues, and Obama is weak but are they agents of the Anti-Christ bellowing from the pits of hell. No, but to heard this guy talk you'd think that 100%. Anyway I'm done with these fools who are friends that spout this rabid crap. Got no use for them anymore. This Neo-Con movement is a cult, it's the ONLY way to describe it. Mind controlled zombies being fed some subliminal messages in the media, just has to be. It's the ONLY thing that can explain it. When the welfare of the nation should be put into the hands of rich people to rule over poor people. That apparently is just OK with him. Then I mentioned the Koch brothers and thats when he hung up. RICH people GOOD, POOR people BAD....2 legs GOOD, four legs BAD. And I'm the most stupidest person ever, yeah right. My opinion or observations have NO value and when I try to state my position on it, it's devalued because I've been tagged already as STUPID, SOCIALIST, and DEMOCRATIC. I just keep in my mind thinking that he's just ONE yet there are millions of them out there just like him....and a COLD chill of terror crawls up my spine.
Then he hung up. All this from a simple observation that in 1971 the same things that plagued us then does so now. Nothing has change except the wealthy got RICHER and the rest of us got poorer and screwed. Both sides are to blame on many levels. It's hard to talk to such a closed mind who BELIEVES there is a commie/socialist hiding behind every door and they are ALL Democrats. Granted Carter was a rotten Prez, Bubba had his issues, and Obama is weak but are they agents of the Anti-Christ bellowing from the pits of hell. No, but to heard this guy talk you'd think that 100%. Anyway I'm done with these fools who are friends that spout this rabid crap. Got no use for them anymore. This Neo-Con movement is a cult, it's the ONLY way to describe it. Mind controlled zombies being fed some subliminal messages in the media, just has to be. It's the ONLY thing that can explain it. When the welfare of the nation should be put into the hands of rich people to rule over poor people. That apparently is just OK with him. Then I mentioned the Koch brothers and thats when he hung up. RICH people GOOD, POOR people BAD....2 legs GOOD, four legs BAD. And I'm the most stupidest person ever, yeah right. My opinion or observations have NO value and when I try to state my position on it, it's devalued because I've been tagged already as STUPID, SOCIALIST, and DEMOCRATIC. I just keep in my mind thinking that he's just ONE yet there are millions of them out there just like him....and a COLD chill of terror crawls up my spine.
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by beretta1071@gmail.com Fri Mar 11, 2011 2:26 am
I have a friend like that, she live in Texas. she railed against socialism and all that just like your friend. When I told her that I believed in a safety net or a universal basic income for ALL whether one is working. She nearly went over the edge. She called me lazy and that I wanted to be taken care of and not work.
She kept using the word "personal responsibility" so many times, she said UI benefits was welfare. She said government was to blame for everything and corporations can do no wrong. She completely denied that their were no jobs or that the U.S has fundamentely changed since the "founding fathers". I told her that she worshipped "personal responsibility". She said if you get hit by a car and don't have insurance that is your fault.
I told her she could find herself homeless one day. She responded that "no that will never happen to me because I made good choices".
Unfortunately their are millions out there that think the way she does, and THEY VOTE , it is unfortunate for the rest of us with more progressive thinking that think that the economy should benefit ALL not just enrich a few. I'am afraid that will not change until that generation dies off and the younger generation votes more and gets more involved. Hate to say it that way, but it is the truth
She kept using the word "personal responsibility" so many times, she said UI benefits was welfare. She said government was to blame for everything and corporations can do no wrong. She completely denied that their were no jobs or that the U.S has fundamentely changed since the "founding fathers". I told her that she worshipped "personal responsibility". She said if you get hit by a car and don't have insurance that is your fault.
I told her she could find herself homeless one day. She responded that "no that will never happen to me because I made good choices".
Unfortunately their are millions out there that think the way she does, and THEY VOTE , it is unfortunate for the rest of us with more progressive thinking that think that the economy should benefit ALL not just enrich a few. I'am afraid that will not change until that generation dies off and the younger generation votes more and gets more involved. Hate to say it that way, but it is the truth
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Re: I FINALLY give up
by mistermunster Fri Mar 11, 2011 2:33 am
beretta1071@gmail.com wrote:I have a friend like that, she live in Texas. she railed against socialism and all that just like your friend. When I told her that I believed in a safety net or a universal basic income for ALL whether one is working. She nearly went over the edge. She called me lazy and that I wanted to be taken care of and not work.
She kept using the word "personal responsibility" so many times, she said UI benefits was welfare. She said government was to blame for everything and corporations can do no wrong. She completely denied that their were no jobs or that the U.S has fundamentely changed since the "founding fathers". I told her that she worshipped "personal responsibility". She said if you get hit by a car and don't have insurance that is your fault.
I told her she could find herself homeless one day. She responded that "no that will never happen to me because I made good choices".
It's sad, My friend is from Oklahoma. And not to stereotype (I lived in Okieland 16 years) but I found the Hee-Haw states really have lots of people like this. Hypocritical statements in one hand and a Bible in the other. Self-Righteous and closed minded to ANYTHING other than what their preacher tells them. What I find amazing is he's simply SOL in his situation and keeps following this tripe body and soul.
Unfortunately their are millions out there that think the way she does, and THEY VOTE , it is unfortunate for the rest of us with more progressive thinking that think that the economy should benefit ALL not just enrich a few. I'am afraid that will not change until that generation dies off and the younger generation votes more and gets more involved. Hate to say it that way, but it is the truth
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Re: I FINALLY give up
by mistermunster Fri Mar 11, 2011 2:34 am
beretta1071@gmail.com wrote:I have a friend like that, she live in Texas. she railed against socialism and all that just like your friend. When I told her that I believed in a safety net or a universal basic income for ALL whether one is working. She nearly went over the edge. She called me lazy and that I wanted to be taken care of and not work.
She kept using the word "personal responsibility" so many times, she said UI benefits was welfare. She said government was to blame for everything and corporations can do no wrong. She completely denied that their were no jobs or that the U.S has fundamentely changed since the "founding fathers". I told her that she worshipped "personal responsibility". She said if you get hit by a car and don't have insurance that is your fault.
I told her she could find herself homeless one day. She responded that "no that will never happen to me because I made good choices".
Unfortunately their are millions out there that think the way she does, and THEY VOTE , it is unfortunate for the rest of us with more progressive thinking that think that the economy should benefit ALL not just enrich a few. I'am afraid that will not change until that generation dies off and the younger generation votes more and gets more involved. Hate to say it that way, but it is the truth
It's sad, My friend is from Oklahoma. And not to stereotype (I lived in Okieland 16 years) but I found the Hee-Haw states really have lots of people like this. Hypocritical statements in one hand and a Bible in the other. Self-Righteous and closed minded to ANYTHING other than what their preacher tells them. What I find amazing is he's simply SOL in his situation and keeps following this tripe body and soul.
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Re: I FINALLY give up
by lendmeflight2 Fri Mar 11, 2011 2:45 am
There are basic psychological reasons that these people feel the way that they do. Everyone projects their own personality on everyone else. They assume that if they would or would not do something that everyone else would do the same thing. So when your friends tell you that the unemployed won't get jobs because have benefits that means that THEY wouldn't look for a job if they had benefits. It's a common thing.
It's actually funny that you bring up socialism, I had a conversation with my cousin the other day. He works for the state. He mentioned that he was getting tired of paying for unemployment benefits with his tax money. I asked him how much he pays in health insurance and he said "nothing the state pays for it". I said, "you mean I pay for it with my tax money". After a few ummms he was pretty quite after that.
It's actually funny that you bring up socialism, I had a conversation with my cousin the other day. He works for the state. He mentioned that he was getting tired of paying for unemployment benefits with his tax money. I asked him how much he pays in health insurance and he said "nothing the state pays for it". I said, "you mean I pay for it with my tax money". After a few ummms he was pretty quite after that.
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Re: I FINALLY give up
by mistermunster Fri Mar 11, 2011 2:53 am
It's just amazes me, every conversation I ever had with him the LAST 2 years end in it's OBAMA's fault within the first minute of the conversation. I say "Did you see the gas prices today"....he responds....It's all OBAMA and the Dems fault for giving in to the Saudis. And thats just a SMALL example. And he doesn't hesitate to call you names if you don't THINK along his beliefs. The GOP is a bully mindset, just look at how they are bullying everybody lately. Life's too short and I don't like bullies. 
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by mistermunster Fri Mar 11, 2011 2:57 am
Oh and another thing about compassion. When these kind of people WANT or need compassion, they yell, kick and scream for it but when they have to GIVE compassion they will make ANY and ALL excuses for NOT giving it.
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Re: I FINALLY give up
by beretta1071@gmail.com Fri Mar 11, 2011 2:58 am
Their is a disconnect from reality with these people. I told her you have no heart, and she AGREED. She basically does not care. I'am not in dire situation right now, but I could be, so I understand the plight of the unemployed.
We need UBI (universal basic income), it is time, their are millions of people that will never have jobs again. These people though (right wing conservatives) will block it, they ONLY CARE ABOUT THEMSELVES , it is pure selfishness in my opinion. No empathy for their fellow man.
If not UBI, government needs to provide shelter and food for these people in a form of voucher or something. This situation is unsustainable. More and more people are going to be on the streets including me if my husband does not get a job soon.
It appears that the right (conservative) and entrenching themselves even more in their positions. They are fighting the working people and unemployed tooth and nail, it is really scary!
We need UBI (universal basic income), it is time, their are millions of people that will never have jobs again. These people though (right wing conservatives) will block it, they ONLY CARE ABOUT THEMSELVES , it is pure selfishness in my opinion. No empathy for their fellow man.
If not UBI, government needs to provide shelter and food for these people in a form of voucher or something. This situation is unsustainable. More and more people are going to be on the streets including me if my husband does not get a job soon.
It appears that the right (conservative) and entrenching themselves even more in their positions. They are fighting the working people and unemployed tooth and nail, it is really scary!
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by lendmeflight2 Fri Mar 11, 2011 2:59 am
Munster, I am on that front line with you brother and I definitely don't mind pushing back when I am pushed. Then you have the tea party fascists saying "cut all social programs except the ones that I use".
I firmly believe in my country and the country of my fathers and that it won't fall for this much longer. Wisconsin is living proof of that spirit and it's making people talk about these issues instead of just wishing for the next Bush.
I firmly believe in my country and the country of my fathers and that it won't fall for this much longer. Wisconsin is living proof of that spirit and it's making people talk about these issues instead of just wishing for the next Bush.
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Re: I FINALLY give up
by mistermunster Fri Mar 11, 2011 3:03 am
lendmeflight2 wrote:Munster, I am on that front line with you brother and I definitely don't mind pushing back when I am pushed. Then you have the tea party fascists saying "cut all social programs except the ones that I use".
I firmly believe in my country and the country of my fathers and that it won't fall for this much longer. Wisconsin is living proof of that spirit and it's making people talk about these issues instead of just wishing for the next Bush.
I still say only when 70% are unemployed then and only then will they turn on their tripe peddlers and maul them.
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Re: I FINALLY give up
by beretta1071@gmail.com Fri Mar 11, 2011 3:04 am
My friend kept saying "the government is the problem" and "personal responsibility" every 10 seconds. That was her response to ever scenario I presented.
What is your opinion about UBI for these unprecented times we are living?
What is your opinion about UBI for these unprecented times we are living?
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Re: I FINALLY give up
by lendmeflight2 Fri Mar 11, 2011 3:07 am
beretta1071@gmail.com wrote:Their is a disconnect from reality with these people. I told her you have no heart, and she AGREED. She basically does not care. I'am not in dire situation right now, but I could be, so I understand the plight of the unemployed.
We need UBI (universal basic income), it is time, their are millions of people that will never have jobs again. These people though (right wing conservatives) will block it, they ONLY CARE ABOUT THEMSELVES , it is pure selfishness in my opinion. No empathy for their fellow man.
If not UBI, government needs to provide shelter and food for these people in a form of voucher or something. This situation is unsustainable. More and more people are going to be on the streets including me if my husband does not get a job soon.
It appears that the right (conservative) and entrenching themselves even more in their positions. They are fighting the working people and unemployed tooth and nail, it is really scary!
Our country should have UBI just like all European nations. This would basically equal unemployment benefits as long as you were out of work.
I hear exactly what you are saying. I even understand why some of these people feel the way that they do. For example, I COULD live the rest of my life on the benefits I get now. I don't want to but I could if I had to. I think a lot of people assume that I would if given the chance. It's funny about conservatives because they have snowed everyone for years. Everything that the American people hate liberals for doing are actually things that conservatives did to them and everything that they love about their country were achieved by liberals.
Higher taxes-conservatives
high health insurance premiums- conservatives
high national debt - conservatives
40 hour work week- liberals
civil rights - liberals
the constitution- liberals. (the founding fathers were the liberals of their day)
social security- liberals
medicare - liberals
free public schools - liberals.
I could go on...
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Re: I FINALLY give up
by mistermunster Fri Mar 11, 2011 3:09 am
beretta1071@gmail.com wrote:My friend kept saying "the government is the problem" and "personal responsibility" every 10 seconds. That was her response to ever scenario I presented.
What is your opinion about UBI for these unprecented times we are living?
sure, why not. I'm all for it. The problem is with rwingers is they WANT "HAVES" and "HAVE NOTS".
Whats to shocking is my friend is so screwed in his unemployed situation yet still pulls the golden idol of Reagan while being whipped for it and doesn't even realize it. I guess he'll have to be evicted, broke and living on the streets before he figures out his folly.
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by lendmeflight2 Fri Mar 11, 2011 3:10 am
no, he will still say it's the black man in office's fault that he is homeless
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by mistermunster Fri Mar 11, 2011 3:12 am
lendmeflight2 wrote:no, he will still say it's the black man in office's fault that he is homeless
He's says that anyway minutes into any conversation. It gets OLD real quick.
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by beretta1071@gmail.com Fri Mar 11, 2011 3:21 am
my friend is so concerned about the people smooching off the system, that she would rather not help anyone, God forbid some would take advantage.
Like throwing the baby out with the bath water
Like throwing the baby out with the bath water
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Re: I FINALLY give up
by mistermunster Fri Mar 11, 2011 3:31 am
beretta1071@gmail.com wrote:my friend is so concerned about the people smooching off the system, that she would rather not help anyone, God forbid some would take advantage.
Like throwing the baby out with the bath water
It's so mental, cut off your nose to spite your face. A few out their committing fraud, so lets PUNISH EVERYONE and cut off ALL. It's that ABSOLUTE or nothing mentality they all have. It's either BLACK or WHITE. I used to be like that, fortunately I see the light now.
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by great4545 Fri Mar 11, 2011 11:02 am
it's not good for your soul to have to listen to republicans or democrates that have never been in your shoes
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by Guest Fri Mar 11, 2011 11:19 am
It reminds me every day that words and lack of action cut deeply. I have , I hope become a much more open minded person since my layoff in 2008. I have made a real effort not to judge and to try to see both sides of every debate and argument. beretta, I think we all have friends and family like yours, it's hurtful. My take on people like this is simply that they do not have the strength that all of us have shown in getting through this on a daily basis. That's sad for them and their families who may depend on them.
Anymore, I just tell family and friends that I don't appreciate their comments as they are speaking of one of their own and if that's how they feel they don't need me to help, visit or participate in their lives. Usually, it gets them thinking.
Anymore, I just tell family and friends that I don't appreciate their comments as they are speaking of one of their own and if that's how they feel they don't need me to help, visit or participate in their lives. Usually, it gets them thinking.
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Re: I FINALLY give up
by guest Fri Mar 11, 2011 12:59 pm
Sadly, you have described my family members. Only good thing is that we don't live close to each other. Phone calls w/ them are the worst. So I do limit conversation w/ them, I simply don't need the aggravation. While I still care about my family, I've had to put some space between us. It doesn't seem to matter to them that their words are hurtful, and mean-spirited, and despite any attempts at rational observations, nothing moves them or makes them stop and think. So....I understand the need for placing barriers up against people in our lives who continue to spew their verbal abuse.
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by venitianstar@surewest.net Fri Mar 11, 2011 2:06 pm
great4545 wrote:it's not good for your soul to have to listen to republicans or democrates that have never been in your shoes
Stay away from these mean- spirited and negative people, they will just drag you down more. Seek out those who are where you are now and those who are slowly rising up back from the devatation of the economic disaster of this global decline.
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Re: I FINALLY give up
by elvis44102 Fri Mar 11, 2011 2:14 pm
I have another thing to add here for the liberal/conservative argument
We have Liberals to THANK for the very existence of this country...
Back during the revolutionary war days....the American Insurection was brought about by LIBERALS....The revolt was by no means popular amongst everybody...
Conservatives wanted to remain loyal to england..by their very nature...
The rebels were traitorous and faced almost certain death and inprisonment should the revolution fail...
THAT is one of the things that REALLY bothers me with the big R's hijacking of the flag and the word patiotism...
To risk life and liberty and join the rebellion took more courage than to do the safe "conservative" thing....it usually does.....
The fact that at least some of the founding fathers were smugglers and somewhat shall we say "resourcefull" charactors I also find ammusing
We have Liberals to THANK for the very existence of this country...
Back during the revolutionary war days....the American Insurection was brought about by LIBERALS....The revolt was by no means popular amongst everybody...
Conservatives wanted to remain loyal to england..by their very nature...
The rebels were traitorous and faced almost certain death and inprisonment should the revolution fail...
THAT is one of the things that REALLY bothers me with the big R's hijacking of the flag and the word patiotism...
To risk life and liberty and join the rebellion took more courage than to do the safe "conservative" thing....it usually does.....
The fact that at least some of the founding fathers were smugglers and somewhat shall we say "resourcefull" charactors I also find ammusing
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Re: I FINALLY give up
by Hunterforjobs Fri Mar 11, 2011 2:18 pm
Sounds like your friend is just frustrated,s cared and needs someone to blame.
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Re: I FINALLY give up
by Zak Fri Mar 11, 2011 2:45 pm
beretta1071@gmail.com wrote:my friend is so concerned about the people smooching off the system, that she would rather not help anyone, God forbid some would take advantage.
Like throwing the baby out with the bath water
What is smooching off the system?
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by Guest Fri Mar 11, 2011 2:50 pm
I think he means those that leach from the system.
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