I FINALLY give up

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Just got off the phone for the LAST time with my rabid conservative friend. After 25 year I've decided that knowing this person was a waste of TIME. I have and been watching lately episodes of All in the Family and came to the observation that all the arguments and or social topics of then are the SAME as today. Different decades, different names, same problems, same old tired debate or I should say disagreement. Anyway I was just pointing out to him this observation and he went on to the It's ALL OBAMA's and Dems FAULT. Now this clod is 57, out of work almost 2 years and at the end of his UI. But he finally just out right called me the MOST stupidest person ever and that I DID NOT know how the world works. (Standard rightwing tripe). Everything in his eyes are all the Democrats and unions fault. He will not accept ANY idea of corruption, greed or any other sins on part of the GOP and their allies. Reagan was GOD and saved us all. BLAH, BLAH, BLAH etc, etc, etc.
Then he hung up. All this from a simple observation that in 1971 the same things that plagued us then does so now. Nothing has change except the wealthy got RICHER and the rest of us got poorer and screwed. Both sides are to blame on many levels. It's hard to talk to such a closed mind who BELIEVES there is a commie/socialist hiding behind every door and they are ALL Democrats. Granted Carter was a rotten Prez, Bubba had his issues, and Obama is weak but are they agents of the Anti-Christ bellowing from the pits of hell. No, but to heard this guy talk you'd think that 100%. Anyway I'm done with these fools who are friends that spout this rabid crap. Got no use for them anymore. This Neo-Con movement is a cult, it's the ONLY way to describe it. Mind controlled zombies being fed some subliminal messages in the media, just has to be. It's the ONLY thing that can explain it. When the welfare of the nation should be put into the hands of rich people to rule over poor people. That apparently is just OK with him. Then I mentioned the Koch brothers and thats when he hung up. RICH people GOOD, POOR people BAD....2 legs GOOD, four legs BAD. And I'm the most stupidest person ever, yeah right. My opinion or observations have NO value and when I try to state my position on it, it's devalued because I've been tagged already as STUPID, SOCIALIST, and DEMOCRATIC. I just keep in my mind thinking that he's just ONE yet there are millions of them out there just like him....and a COLD chill of terror crawls up my spine.

elvis44102 wrote:I have another thing to add here for the liberal/conservative argument

We have Liberals to THANK for the very existence of this country...

Back during the revolutionary war days....the American Insurection was brought about by LIBERALS....The revolt was by no means popular amongst everybody...

Conservatives wanted to remain loyal to england..by their very nature...

The rebels were traitorous and faced almost certain death and inprisonment should the revolution fail...

THAT is one of the things that REALLY bothers me with the big R's hijacking of the flag and the word patiotism...

To risk life and liberty and join the rebellion took more courage than to do the safe "conservative" thing....it usually does.....

The fact that at least some of the founding fathers were smugglers and somewhat shall we say "resourcefull" charactors I also find ammusing

yup

yow...MisterMunster...Ellen here. Well you know that I am surrounded by the right-wing down here. To my left and to my right..above and below. All born agains, or Neo Nazis...what a wonderful world we live in.
That is why I miss NYC so much...you can be who are, and not be judged and not fired for your opinion.
So as far as friends goes..there are none. Except maybe the ones in NY..but they only keep in touch with me through facebook, and you know how that goes..very trite conversations only or you are removed from their friend list.
Anyways..just think MM..you could have a cemetery, with a Swastika flag hanging from a home across the street.
And oh....be fired for saying the word "union" and being "non-religious".
You remember back on the old site, I think I said that they placed a sculpture of a fetus on my desk, because I was pro abortion.
Never in my wildest dreams, did I know what I was in for, when I moved to the gulf side of Florida.
Woohaaaa!!!
MM: You know I knew Fred Gwynne up North. A great man.

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mistermunster,

Your idea of universal basic income is really Social Security Benefits for the older workers. FDR knew that many older workers would never find work during the Great Depression. I just turned 62, will be getting income in April after a year of no help from anyone (except wife works). Since my Tier IV ran out. Had a retirement fund, but that is greatly depleted. This why FDR passed Unemployment Insurance along with Social Security in the New Deal.

Everyone should know you can't survive on either, but it is at least compassionate. You should not starve, if your wise in what you do. Neither was designed to have a comfortable living, unless you have a sizeable bank account. I will still have to work, when it is available. When your older you can't do every job either, something else everyone should know. This is not welfare in either case, because we all earned it.

I have two small pensions when I turn 65, I was not the one who laid me off. That again is wrong and needs to be updated for people in this situation. I think they should have a temporary program where you can a least borrow from this SS benefit. It should have been done for me a year ago. It would be in my interest to still get a job. Too many older workers have fallen off the map or radar, all because their basic needs were not met. This is terrible for a country that put Japan and Germany back together after WWII. Japan now needs our help today for what just happened.

Compassionate needs to start with your own country first. When will people wake up? Japan has stolen our jobs too. Does that mean we have to forget what they did to our steel, electronics and automotive industries. No compassionate has ever been shown to our workers. Is it time to show some stubbornness. All we get is being ignored. We have had our Economic Earthquake and Tsunami, 3 years later and we have not been really saved. When are the jobs?

TR11005 wrote:mistermunster,

Your idea of universal basic income is really Social Security Benefits for the older workers. FDR knew that many older workers would never find work during the Great Depression. I just turned 62, will be getting income in April after a year of no help from anyone (except wife works). Since my Tier IV ran out. Had a retirement fund, but that is greatly depleted. This why FDR passed Unemployment Insurance along with Social Security in the New Deal.

Everyone should know you can't survive on either, but it is at least compassionate. You should not starve, if your wise in what you do. Neither was designed to have a comfortable living, unless you have a sizeable bank account. I will still have to work, when it is available. When your older you can't do every job either, something else everyone should know. This is not welfare in either case, because we all earned it.

I have two small pensions when I turn 65, I was not the one who laid me off. That again is wrong and needs to be updated for people in this situation. I think they should have a temporary program where you can a least borrow from this SS benefit. It should have been done for me a year ago. It would be in my interest to still get a job. Too many older workers have fallen off the map or radar, all because their basic needs were not met. This is terrible for a country that put Japan and Germany back together after WWII. Japan now needs our help today for what just happened.

Compassionate needs to start with your own country first. When will people wake up? Japan has stolen our jobs too. Does that mean we have to forget what they did to our steel, electronics and automotive industries. No compassionate has ever been shown to our workers. Is it time to show some stubbornness. All we get is being ignored. We have had our Economic Earthquake and Tsunami, 3 years later and we have not been really saved. When are the jobs?

Well Social Security Benefits are now a screw job down the road. Many righties want to get rid of it or raise the age to 70 in a country that NOW considers 40 in the workforce OBSOLETE. Remember not TOO long ago they were all harping on HOW seniors NEED to work well into their retirement? Now the 40 something crowd can't find a job, SOL for those 50 or older for sure. How can you work till 70 when you are DISCRIMINATED at EVERY turn in todays climate??? Yes our nation is jacked, by the wealthy, the elite, the corrupted at all levels, yet many on the right, WHO many are IN THE SAME SITUATION as the rest of us blatantly DEFEND policy that will stab them in the back at the first chance. The problem with righties are that THE NATIONAL MYTH of an America that really is dead STILL EXISTS as long as they cling to a bible and drape themselves in a flag. They are completely fixed minded that ALL liberal ideas are disastrous and will kill this foggy National Myth and that the Book of Reagan is Holy and to be followed without question or you'll find yourself branded a Commie/Socialist. The sad part is they will NOT put up debate on ANY issue. It's their WAY or the Highway. How do you talk to such a closed mind mentality? Thing is you can't. I use my rabid friends (now former) stance as a yardstick to measure this insanity. Rabid conservative, won't debate the issues, YOUR just plain wrong, name calling, Obamas fault 3 sentences in, Barny Frank was solely responsible for the housing collapse, Outsourcing is good, wealthy people DESERVE the money they GOT, theres a Muslim terrorist out to get you, The Banks are NOT at fault, this country id broke because of Dems, George Sorros is behind it all etc, etc, etc....did I say it's Obama's fault. Yet with all that I get "WHERE'S MY UI CHECK?". It's reminds me of All in the Family where Mike's is telling Archie he position on an issue while Archie starts singing "God Bless America" to drown him out. Archie Bunkers is alive and WELL in the year 2011

mistermunster wrote:

TR11005 wrote:mistermunster,

Your idea of universal basic income is really Social Security Benefits for the older workers. FDR knew that many older workers would never find work during the Great Depression. I just turned 62, will be getting income in April after a year of no help from anyone (except wife works). Since my Tier IV ran out. Had a retirement fund, but that is greatly depleted. This why FDR passed Unemployment Insurance along with Social Security in the New Deal.

Everyone should know you can't survive on either, but it is at least compassionate. You should not starve, if your wise in what you do. Neither was designed to have a comfortable living, unless you have a sizeable bank account. I will still have to work, when it is available. When your older you can't do every job either, something else everyone should know. This is not welfare in either case, because we all earned it.

I have two small pensions when I turn 65, I was not the one who laid me off. That again is wrong and needs to be updated for people in this situation. I think they should have a temporary program where you can a least borrow from this SS benefit. It should have been done for me a year ago. It would be in my interest to still get a job. Too many older workers have fallen off the map or radar, all because their basic needs were not met. This is terrible for a country that put Japan and Germany back together after WWII. Japan now needs our help today for what just happened.

Compassionate needs to start with your own country first. When will people wake up? Japan has stolen our jobs too. Does that mean we have to forget what they did to our steel, electronics and automotive industries. No compassionate has ever been shown to our workers. Is it time to show some stubbornness. All we get is being ignored. We have had our Economic Earthquake and Tsunami, 3 years later and we have not been really saved. When are the jobs?

Well Social Security Benefits are now a screw job down the road. Many righties want to get rid of it or raise the age to 70 in a country that NOW considers 40 in the workforce OBSOLETE. Remember not TOO long ago they were all harping on HOW seniors NEED to work well into their retirement? Now the 40 something crowd can't find a job, SOL for those 50 or older for sure. How can you work till 70 when you are DISCRIMINATED at EVERY turn in todays climate??? Yes our nation is jacked, by the wealthy, the elite, the corrupted at all levels, yet many on the right, WHO many are IN THE SAME SITUATION as the rest of us blatantly DEFEND policy that will stab them in the back at the first chance. The problem with righties are that THE NATIONAL MYTH of an America that really is dead STILL EXISTS as long as they cling to a bible and drape themselves in a flag. They are completely fixed minded that ALL liberal ideas are disastrous and will kill this foggy National Myth and that the Book of Reagan is Holy and to be followed without question or you'll find yourself branded a Commie/Socialist. The sad part is they will NOT put up debate on ANY issue. It's their WAY or the Highway. How do you talk to such a closed mind mentality? Thing is you can't. I use my rabid friends (now former) stance as a yardstick to measure this insanity. Rabid conservative, won't debate the issues, YOUR just plain wrong, name calling, Obamas fault 3 sentences in, Barny Frank was solely responsible for the housing collapse, Outsourcing is good, wealthy people DESERVE the money they GOT, theres a Muslim terrorist out to get you, The Banks are NOT at fault, this country id broke because of Dems, George Sorros is behind it all etc, etc, etc....did I say it's Obama's fault. Yet with all that I get "WHERE'S MY UI CHECK?". It's reminds me of All in the Family where Mike's is telling Archie he position on an issue while Archie starts singing "God Bless America" to drown him out. Archie Bunkers is alive and WELL in the year 2011

This is my NUMBER ONE FAVORITE MUNSTER RANT!

Your right Mistermunster your on a roll now. Lets not forget the trickle down theory. Archie Bunker still lives and so does Ralph from the Honeymooners.

Many older workers, including myself I forced into early SS. I did not have an option and still need to work. I have two interviews for contact assignments next week, that is a rarity. I took off the years off my permanent positions in my resume. I hope that I can sell myself this time.

If I do get age discriminated against. I can go into a rant. Since, I will be collecting SS. If your on UI and your arrested you can loose them if you go to jail. I have had enough and I can't take it anymore! We need to be more Egyptian.

Hey MisterMunster: you are not reading my posts! I am crushed! Speaking of flags..remember the "Flag Show" back in the early 70s at Judson Memorial Church? Abby Hoffman wrapped himself in an American Flag and Kate Millet made a toilet seat and cover out of the American Flag...those were the days. It was a great show of protest against the Vietnam war. I was in it. To this day...it is in history books and Judson Memorial Church is a landmark bldg. in Greenwich Village, NYC, NY.
Truth be Told.
Eat The Rich (this was a statement made at the democratic convention in Chicago..Mayor Daley) we stormed their lunch and ate their food.
Wish we had those days again. No more. Techno savvy has taken over human contact. We are controlled by the computer chip, iphone, etc. Take me back to the old days please.
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ET wrote:Hey MisterMunster: you are not reading my posts! I am crushed! Speaking of flags..remember the "Flag Show" back in the early 70s at Judson Memorial Church? Abby Hoffman wrapped himself in an American Flag and Kate Millet made a toilet seat and cover out of the American Flag...those were the days. It was a great show of protest against the Vietnam war. I was in it. To this day...it is in history books and Judson Memorial Church is a landmark bldg. in Greenwich Village, NYC, NY.
Truth be Told.
Eat The Rich (this was a statement made at the democratic convention in Chicago..Mayor Daley) we stormed their lunch and ate their food.
Wish we had those days again. No more. Techno savvy has taken over human contact. We are controlled by the computer chip, iphone, etc. Take me back to the old days please.
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Sorry ET, I got ya...read post too. Just got on my rant cap. My friend who no longer is just still bugs me. Know someone for 25 years and turns on you like a rabid dog. Sorry you are in FL with the wackos. I remember you saying once. "MM: You know I knew Fred Gwynne up North. A great man." Won't argue that. Fine actor, talented illustrator.

Ok MisterMunster: How about having a half sister who is a member of the John Birch Society and helped Phyllis Schafly in her fight against women's rights? Well..that woman happens to be my half sister.
We all have our stories of old friends that just turn around to mentally stab us in the back. I have a list a mile long.
Welcome MM...good to see you here.
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TR11005 wrote:Your right Mistermunster your on a roll now. Lets not forget the trickle down theory. Archie Bunker still lives and so does Ralph from the Honeymooners.

Yeah, funny on TV but an ABSOLUTE HORROR in reality. Problem is, that mentality gets passed on to the younger ones and then nothing changes. All in the Family was 40 years ago and we STILL are fighting over the same CRAP. Nothing will change until closed minded knuckle dragging Neanderthals go extinct and their OUTDATED ideology too.

ET wrote:Ok MisterMunster: How about having a half sister who is a member of the John Birch Society and helped Phyllis Schafly in her fight against women's rights? Well..that woman happens to be my half sister.
We all have our stories of old friends that just turn around to mentally stab us in the back. I have a list a mile long.
Welcome MM...good to see you here.
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U2 ET.

ET wrote:Speaking of flags..remember the "Flag Show" back in the early 70s at Judson Memorial Church? Abby Hoffman wrapped himself in an American Flag and Kate Millet made a toilet seat and cover out of the American Flag...those were the days. It was a great show of protest against the Vietnam war. I was in it.

Well it's funny, back then the flag had meaning of FREEDOM and Liberty FOR ALL. Now it's been hijacked by knuckle dragging Neanderthals who think it's a magic cloak that will transport them to the 1950's. The SAME 1950's that wouldn't have been if FDR's LIBERAL New Deal had failed.

MM: you wouldn't believe how strong these neanderthals are in government. Gov. Scott of Florida..is pulling all the stops out of our civil rights. This is big..major backlash on civil rights in Florida right now. Denying people the right to vote, who have done their time in prison. This is a major civil rights issue..that I think will be addressed in the media. Sad to say, over our immediate needs..but you can see how this has to be dealt with..see the article http://www.huffingtonpost.com/erika-wood/turning-back-the-clock-in_b_834239.html

off topic, didn't want to start another thread
I was just watching a clip from Rachel Maddow
Texas wants women seeking abortions to watch an ultrasound before doing so.
Sorry, I don"t have a link...I saw it and closed it and don"t want to see it again.

This country is reverting back to the 50s. It is happening all over the place. Major disaster.

For a group of people who insist they want "smaller government", "less government" they sure a sticking their noses and fingers into our everyday lives a whole lot more than "small government" would allow. It seems they are just making it up as they go along. But this is how things happen, they get a small group of people, prey on their fears and whip them into a frenzy and they become believers. I personally think it's scary.

MaryKay wrote:For a group of people who insist they want "smaller government", "less government" they sure a sticking their noses and fingers into our everyday lives a whole lot more than "small government" would allow. It seems they are just making it up as they go along. But this is how things happen, they get a small group of people, prey on their fears and whip them into a frenzy and they become believers. I personally think it's scary.

So what did you expect from hypocrites? do as we say not as we do.

mistermunster wrote:Just got off the phone for the LAST time with my rabid conservative friend. After 25 year I've decided that knowing this person was a waste of TIME. I have and been watching lately episodes of All in the Family and came to the observation that all the arguments and or social topics of then are the SAME as today. Different decades, different names, same problems, same old tired debate or I should say disagreement. Anyway I was just pointing out to him this observation and he went on to the It's ALL OBAMA's and Dems FAULT. Now this clod is 57, out of work almost 2 years and at the end of his UI. But he finally just out right called me the MOST stupidest person ever and that I DID NOT know how the world works. (Standard rightwing tripe). Everything in his eyes are all the Democrats and unions fault. He will not accept ANY idea of corruption, greed or any other sins on part of the GOP and their allies. Reagan was GOD and saved us all. BLAH, BLAH, BLAH etc, etc, etc.
Then he hung up. All this from a simple observation that in 1971 the same things that plagued us then does so now. Nothing has change except the wealthy got RICHER and the rest of us got poorer and screwed. Both sides are to blame on many levels. It's hard to talk to such a closed mind who BELIEVES there is a commie/socialist hiding behind every door and they are ALL Democrats. Granted Carter was a rotten Prez, Bubba had his issues, and Obama is weak but are they agents of the Anti-Christ bellowing from the pits of hell. No, but to heard this guy talk you'd think that 100%. Anyway I'm done with these fools who are friends that spout this rabid crap. Got no use for them anymore. This Neo-Con movement is a cult, it's the ONLY way to describe it. Mind controlled zombies being fed some subliminal messages in the media, just has to be. It's the ONLY thing that can explain it. When the welfare of the nation should be put into the hands of rich people to rule over poor people. That apparently is just OK with him. Then I mentioned the Koch brothers and thats when he hung up. RICH people GOOD, POOR people BAD....2 legs GOOD, four legs BAD. And I'm the most stupidest person ever, yeah right. My opinion or observations have NO value and when I try to state my position on it, it's devalued because I've been tagged already as STUPID, SOCIALIST, and DEMOCRATIC. I just keep in my mind thinking that he's just ONE yet there are millions of them out there just like him....and a COLD chill of terror crawls up my spine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD20-FihJQs&feature=related

Maybe he needs to sit down as in this video. I do hear what you are saying some ppl

ET wrote:Ok MisterMunster: How about having a half sister who is a member of the John Birch Society and helped Phyllis Schafly in her fight against women's rights? Well..that woman happens to be my half sister.
We all have our stories of old friends that just turn around to mentally stab us in the back. I have a list a mile long.
Welcome MM...good to see you here.
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ET, I bet you could tell some really great protest stories and hope you share some. You are in my "top 5 admired" people online.

I can imagine knowing members of the John Birch Society. It is headquartered in my home town. Oh yeah, Senator Joseph McCarthy is also from my home town. There are many people that live in this area that live up to this history.

I think you can blame this type of "ultra-conservative" attitude on several factors:

1) Faux News and other such idiotic media such as the Rush Limbo show, Hannity, Glenn Beck, etc.

Some people watch ONLY Faux News and if one does that it is easy to start to believe their b.s. (i.e.; become brainwashed). Even though I've always been liberal minded I worked at a place where they only played Faux News and when the war in Iraq was starting I actually began to be FOR that war, based on the pure CRAP Faux News put out. It took me a while to realize I'd been brainwashed.

2) It's my observation that people who grew up in Republican families often remain Republican, even against all logic that would lead to the contrary.

Some are rich, and I can sort of understand that. The Republicans are the party for the rich, so if your parents are rich, it is easier to understand why you might be pro-Republican. But what really drives me nuts is when someone is clearly in the lower or working class, yet they insist on supporting Republicans, corporations, banksters and the whole Republican agenda.

3) Americans tend to not pay attention to the political process, and a large percentage don't even vote.

Most Americans tend to care about only a couple of things:
Having enough money to live well and buy things, and watching sports, American Idol and other claptrap on tv.

As long as they can numb themselves with TV and the latest gadgets, they pretty much don't care what Congress and the President does. Most don't even have a CLUE what the Congress and President are doing. Therefore the majority just don't know what is going on so they tend to just stick with the party they grew up with, Dims or Repugs.

That said, after following politics very closely for the past year, I now believe this:
Both the Dims and Repugs are basically promoting the corporate/bankster elitist agenda.

The leaders of both parties tend to be members of groups like the Council on Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commission, the Bilderbergers, et al, and these elitist groups full of corporate CEO's and bankster Directors and long-time politicians like Kissinger, Brezinski, Clintons, Carter, Bushes, etc. are what you might call the "steering committee" for projects that involve shaping the world the way they want it. And of course the way they want it is for the elite to get richer, so their policies and vision lead to a globalist agenda that favors corporations and banks, and does not consider the people except as obstacles in their way or "production units" that they can exploit.

If this sounds conspiratorial, it is. Just check out "The Obama Deception", "The Corporation" and "Zeitgeist" on youtube.

As comedian Bill Hicks said, it's like a puppet show with the American citizen saying "I like the puppet on the left" and another saying "I like the puppet on the right", but the puppets are controlled by one force and that force is the globalist elite as mentioned above.

And until or unless we manage to get major election reform (which is damn near impossible since those who are in power don't want reform!), we will find it nearly impossible to ever get a President and Senate that is NOT beholden to this global elite of banksters and corporations.

Just my 2 cents.

@JaneWI..that is so sweet of you. You made my Saturday night. My stories are in collections at Brown University in Rhode Island, Harvard University, Ct. I hope you checked out my online portfolio. The fine art side of it.
Those were exciting days. The protests against Anita Bryant and her homophobic rants. What we did then, could never happen today. We shut down vending machines carrying Tropicana orange juice, we punctured tires on trucks carrying Tropicana orange juice. We did spontaneous actions back then. You might have heard of some of us old rowdies. Sarah Schulman is a famous writer, who was one of the founders of ActUp. Most of the activists that I worked with are dead now. Vito Russo started the GLAAD awards in Hollywood. He started the stars to feel "safe" in coming out. I worked on making my art available to everyone and educating them about various companies that were "screwing" the poor.
I hope someday to meet Fidel Castro. I want to meet a living revolutionary, before I die.
Read Susan Sherman's book..she acknowledges my help on her book. America's Child: A Woman's Journey Through the Radical Sixties
I knew Jill Johnston, Margot Adler (she is alive and works at NPR), Bella Abzug, Florence Kennedy, Betty Friedan, Andrea Dworkin. Andrea was an amazing woman and writer. Highly recommend reading her books. She was a true friend and radical. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Dworkin

@ET, thank you for your reply. I need to look up the names you suggested and will copy your post into a word document to look at later. Where is your online portfolio? I'd be very interested in seeing it. I think you posted it before at the UFF, but I neglected to save a link.

You and your group did so much to improve the lives of many people. People now try to act like it was all a "love fest", but I seem to remember there were people who were very against what the liberals were trying to do. Am I remembering this correctly?

Somehow I feel I missed a lot by not being able to participate in these things when they happened during the 1960s.

@JaneWI...well there was "peace and love" of Woodstock, but there also was quite a bit of activism going on. The Panthers had chapters in LA and NY, as did the Young Lords. SNCC was pivotal in starting many people(s) groups across the world. So many groups that effected change. I can only speak about the ones in NYC. Cause that is where I am from and did my most work. The war resistors league still exists on Lafayette Street and have not sold their building to the greedy slumlords aka Donald Trumps aka NY University of Manhattan. The Peace Church on W. 4th Street, across the street from Judson Memorial Church, was my home away from home. Here, we got draft dodgers out of the USA to safe havens during the Vietnam war. Anti-nuclear activism. I organized a daycare center for physically challenged and non- physically challenged children. We had community controlled day care centers then. Now, everything is controlled by the government, and communities have little say in what goes on in their neighborhoods.
Much reading for you to do!
People United Will Never Be Defeated! pueblo unido jamás será vencido

ET wrote:@JaneWI...well there was "peace and love" of Woodstock, but there also was quite a bit of activism going on. The Panthers had chapters in LA and NY, as did the Young Lords. SNCC was pivotal in starting many people(s) groups across the world. So many groups that effected change. I can only speak about the ones in NYC. Cause that is where I am from and did my most work. The war resistors league still exists on Lafayette Street and have not sold their building to the greedy slumlords aka Donald Trumps aka NY University of Manhattan. The Peace Church on W. 4th Street, across the street from Judson Memorial Church, was my home away from home. Here, we got draft dodgers out of the USA to safe havens during the Vietnam war. Anti-nuclear activism. I organized a daycare center for physically challenged and non- physically challenged children. We had community controlled day care centers then. Now, everything is controlled by the government, and communities have little say in what goes on in their neighborhoods.
Much reading for you to do!
People United Will Never Be Defeated! pueblo unido jamás será vencido

If I have more questions would it be alright to PM to you? I don't want to distract from this discussion anymore.