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Post by Guest on Mon May 23, 2011 2:17 pm

But aside from these new flexibilities, the bill would impose new restrictions on the use of federal unemployment benefits, most of which are designed to ensure that benefit recipients are actively looking for work.

For example, the bill would require those who are "most likely" to exhaust benefits, such as those without a high school degree, to pursue education and training programs that boost their chances of finding work. The bill also specifies that benefit recipients must be "able to work, available to work and actively seeking work."

The section I put in bold proves that they are clueless. I'll bet there are more 99ers with degrees than high school drop-outs. I know I have been excluded from all the part-time, minimum wage McJobs because I have a degree. Why do they think that the long term unemployed are enjoying this bout of "funemployment"? Do they really think we enjoy having no life and constantly worrying about if we'll have a roof over our heads tomorrow?

I really find it insulting that they would even insinuate that we are not looking for jobs!

I think they'll find time this week to introduce 1745. It should be interesting to see how it all plays out.

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Post by carl98430 on Mon May 23, 2011 2:22 pm

In my state, each week you have to list the companies to which you've applied (not just the names, but also their address and phone number). And if you emailed your resume/application, you have to identify the email address and point of contact, as well. I assume the requirements are similar in the rest of the states.

I don't understand why the Republicans continue to use rhetoric that implies that we just sit at home and receive a check, but never look for work. It's just plain stupid. And insulting! And it does show that they just don't have a clue.

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Post by exhaustedandtired/1208 on Mon May 23, 2011 2:24 pm

Hopefully merger talk will start soon!

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Post by exhaustedandtired/1208 on Mon May 23, 2011 2:33 pm

You know from deeper thinking, the dems. who oppose and may have filibuster options can block the 1745 and work out a compromise and say they will consider 589 if they relax 1745. Like delay its affective date after the 14 weeks or something! Also Ok the so called union support how many union workers have jobs with no high school diploma or GED or degree???? Hello! If you are a union supporter , are they going to reject 1745!!!! Are all who have jobs union and non union be fired because they do not have GED or high school cert.??? hello! How can the repubs. or anyone else discriminate! This bill is discrimination bill. AND WHAT ABOUT THE HIGHER % OF AFRICAN AMERICANS WHO MAY NOT HAVE A GED OR HIGH SCHOOL.. WOULDN'T THIS BILL BE RACIAL DISCRIMINATION... HELLO! TIME FOR SOMEONE TO POINT THIS OUT!!!!!! CBC needs to fight this bill as I am smart enough to notice this discrimination!! I am going to tweet Barb. Lee.. There is no way this bill will or should pass!

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Post by Guest on Mon May 23, 2011 2:36 pm

exhaustedandtired/1208 wrote:You know from deeper thinking, the dems. who oppose and may have filibuster options can block the 1745 and work out a compromise and say they will consider 589 if they relax 1745. Like delay its affective date after the 14 weeks or something! Also Ok the so called union support how many union workers have jobs with no high school diploma or GED or degree???? Hello! If you are a union supporter , are they going to reject 1745!!!! Are all who have jobs union and non union be fired because they do not have GED or high school cert.??? hello! How can the repubs. or anyone else discriminate! This bill is discrimination bill. AND WHAT ABOUT THE HIGHER % OF AFRICAN AMERICANS WHO MAY NOT HAVE A GED OR HIGH SCHOOL.. WOULDN'T THIS BILL BE RACIAL DISCRIMINATION... HELLO! TIME FOR SOMEONE TO POINT THIS OUT!!!!!! CBC needs to fight this bill as I am smart enough to notice this discrimination!! I am going to tweet Barb. Lee.. There is no way this bill will or should pass!

The House can't filibuster. That is only allowed in the Senate. When HR 589 was introduced in the House in Feb. it only took one objection from Rep. Denny Rehberg to stop it dead in its tracks and send it to the W & M Committee.

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Post by Guest on Mon May 23, 2011 2:39 pm

DesperateInRI wrote:
exhaustedandtired/1208 wrote:You know from deeper thinking, the dems. who oppose and may have filibuster options can block the 1745 and work out a compromise and say they will consider 589 if they relax 1745. Like delay its affective date after the 14 weeks or something! Also Ok the so called union support how many union workers have jobs with no high school diploma or GED or degree???? Hello! If you are a union supporter , are they going to reject 1745!!!! Are all who have jobs union and non union be fired because they do not have GED or high school cert.??? hello! How can the repubs. or anyone else discriminate! This bill is discrimination bill. AND WHAT ABOUT THE HIGHER % OF AFRICAN AMERICANS WHO MAY NOT HAVE A GED OR HIGH SCHOOL.. WOULDN'T THIS BILL BE RACIAL DISCRIMINATION... HELLO! TIME FOR SOMEONE TO POINT THIS OUT!!!!!! CBC needs to fight this bill as I am smart enough to notice this discrimination!! I am going to tweet Barb. Lee.. There is no way this bill will or should pass!

The House can't filibuster. That is only allowed in the Senate. When HR 589 was introduced in the House in Feb. it only took one objection from Rep. Denny Rehberg to stop it dead in its tracks and send it to the W & M Committee.

http://www.unemployed-friends2.org/t503-how-a-bill-becomes-law-legislative-action-and-terms

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Post by exhaustedandtired/1208 on Mon May 23, 2011 3:07 pm

DesperateInRI wrote:
exhaustedandtired/1208 wrote:You know from deeper thinking, the dems. who oppose and may have filibuster options can block the 1745 and work out a compromise and say they will consider 589 if they relax 1745. Like delay its affective date after the 14 weeks or something! Also Ok the so called union support how many union workers have jobs with no high school diploma or GED or degree???? Hello! If you are a union supporter , are they going to reject 1745!!!! Are all who have jobs union and non union be fired because they do not have GED or high school cert.??? hello! How can the repubs. or anyone else discriminate! This bill is discrimination bill. AND WHAT ABOUT THE HIGHER % OF AFRICAN AMERICANS WHO MAY NOT HAVE A GED OR HIGH SCHOOL.. WOULDN'T THIS BILL BE RACIAL DISCRIMINATION... HELLO! TIME FOR SOMEONE TO POINT THIS OUT!!!!!! CBC needs to fight this bill as I am smart enough to notice this discrimination!! I am going to tweet Barb. Lee.. There is no way this bill will or should pass!

The House can't filibuster. That is only allowed in the Senate. When HR 589 was introduced in the House in Feb. it only took one objection from Rep. Denny Rehberg to stop it dead in its tracks and send it to the W & M Committee.


THE SENATE CAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Post by exhaustedandtired/1208 on Mon May 23, 2011 3:12 pm

AS i SAID AND i HOPE SOME DEMS. GET MY MESSAGE: THIS BILL IS HIGHLY DISCRIMINATORY ESPECIALLY THE HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF UNEMPLOYED AFRICAN AMERICANS AS WELL AS OTHER UNEMPLOYED! It cannot and will not pass! The education part and GED or diploma! BTW! I am 63 with GED and a little college.. Will they make me go back to school?
Also where the hell can I find my GED records. I took my GED while in the Navy! I hope Ron S. addresses this! And G !!!

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Post by Guest on Mon May 23, 2011 3:13 pm

exhaustedandtired/1208 wrote:
DesperateInRI wrote:
exhaustedandtired/1208 wrote:You know from deeper thinking, the dems. who oppose and may have filibuster options can block the 1745 and work out a compromise and say they will consider 589 if they relax 1745. Like delay its affective date after the 14 weeks or something! Also Ok the so called union support how many union workers have jobs with no high school diploma or GED or degree???? Hello! If you are a union supporter , are they going to reject 1745!!!! Are all who have jobs union and non union be fired because they do not have GED or high school cert.??? hello! How can the repubs. or anyone else discriminate! This bill is discrimination bill. AND WHAT ABOUT THE HIGHER % OF AFRICAN AMERICANS WHO MAY NOT HAVE A GED OR HIGH SCHOOL.. WOULDN'T THIS BILL BE RACIAL DISCRIMINATION... HELLO! TIME FOR SOMEONE TO POINT THIS OUT!!!!!! CBC needs to fight this bill as I am smart enough to notice this discrimination!! I am going to tweet Barb. Lee.. There is no way this bill will or should pass!

The House can't filibuster. That is only allowed in the Senate. When HR 589 was introduced in the House in Feb. it only took one objection from Rep. Denny Rehberg to stop it dead in its tracks and send it to the W & M Committee.


THE SENATE CAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No need to yell at me, 1208. Let's get these bills introduced in the House before we start thinking about Senate filibusters. If it gets to that point, I give up. Look how long it took to finally get a 13 month extension of deadlines on 4213. It started in February 2010 and ended in December 2010. I can't wait that long.

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Post by Guest on Mon May 23, 2011 3:14 pm

exhaustedandtired/1208 wrote:AS i SAID AND i HOPE SOME DEMS. GET MY MESSAGE: THIS BILL IS HIGHLY DISCRIMINATORY ESPECIALLY THE HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF UNEMPLOYED AFRICAN AMERICANS AS WELL AS OTHER UNEMPLOYED! It cannot and will not pass! The education part and GED or diploma! BTW! I am 63 with GED and a little college.. Will they make me go back to school?
Also where the hell can I find my GED records. I took my GED while in the Navy! I hope Ron S. addresses this! And G !!!

If you read the provisions of 1745, the GED requirements have many exceptions.

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Post by exhaustedandtired/1208 on Mon May 23, 2011 3:31 pm

I AIN"T YELLIN. GEEZE! I am worked up.. Desp.. Exceptions, Ok.. Hey, It is still discriminatory!!! IMO! Anyway... lets hope something happens soon and quick!! Before the next doomsday!

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Post by exhaustedandtired/1208 on Mon May 23, 2011 3:31 pm

I AIN"T YELLIN. GEEZE! I am worked up.. Desp.. Exceptions, Ok.. Hey, It is still discriminatory!!! IMO! Anyway... lets hope something happens soon and quick!! Before the next doomsday! And I ain't yelling or anything!!! HR 1745 being readied, not a peep on HR 589 550579


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Post by exhaustedandtired/1208 on Mon May 23, 2011 3:32 pm

DesperateInRI wrote:
exhaustedandtired/1208 wrote:
DesperateInRI wrote:
exhaustedandtired/1208 wrote:You know from deeper thinking, the dems. who oppose and may have filibuster options can block the 1745 and work out a compromise and say they will consider 589 if they relax 1745. Like delay its affective date after the 14 weeks or something! Also Ok the so called union support how many union workers have jobs with no high school diploma or GED or degree???? Hello! If you are a union supporter , are they going to reject 1745!!!! Are all who have jobs union and non union be fired because they do not have GED or high school cert.??? hello! How can the repubs. or anyone else discriminate! This bill is discrimination bill. AND WHAT ABOUT THE HIGHER % OF AFRICAN AMERICANS WHO MAY NOT HAVE A GED OR HIGH SCHOOL.. WOULDN'T THIS BILL BE RACIAL DISCRIMINATION... HELLO! TIME FOR SOMEONE TO POINT THIS OUT!!!!!! CBC needs to fight this bill as I am smart enough to notice this discrimination!! I am going to tweet Barb. Lee.. There is no way this bill will or should pass!

The House can't filibuster. That is only allowed in the Senate. When HR 589 was introduced in the House in Feb. it only took one objection from Rep. Denny Rehberg to stop it dead in its tracks and send it to the W & M Committee.


THE SENATE CAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No need to yell at me, 1208. Let's get these bills introduced in the House before we start thinking about Senate filibusters. If it gets to that point, I give up. Look how long it took to finally get a 13 month extension of deadlines on 4213. It started in February 2010 and ended in December 2010. I can't wait that long.

Yep. me too!

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Post by exhaustedandtired/1208 on Mon May 23, 2011 3:36 pm

Desp! I love it when you and I spar. You are a friend.. You have tolerated me for so long!!! But anyway! Can you show me those exceptions so that I have a better understanding of what and how this bill may affect me and others?? Also so that I may know more about it!

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Post by Guest on Mon May 23, 2011 3:47 pm

exhaustedandtired/1208 wrote:Desp! I love it when you and I spar. You are a friend.. You have tolerated me for so long!!! But anyway! Can you show me those exceptions so that I have a better understanding of what and how this bill may affect me and others?? Also so that I may know more about it!

The bill is 18 pages long. Here is one broad exception:

‘(B) For purposes of this paragraph, an individual shall not be considered to have met the minimum educational requirements of this subparagraph unless such individual--

‘(i) has earned a high school diploma;

‘(ii) has earned the General Educational Development (GED) credential or other State-recognized equivalent (including by meeting recognized alternative standards for individuals with disabilities); or

‘(iii) is enrolled and making satisfactory progress in classes leading to satisfaction of clause (ii).

(C) The requirements of subparagraph (B) may be waived for an individual to the extent that the State agency charged with the administration of the State law deems such requirements to be unduly burdensome in the case of such individual.’.

Again, these requirements and exceptions are all being left to the state's discretion. States may simply choose to continue EUC08 as it stands or implement some of the provisions of 1745. Any way they do it, it must be voted on in each state's legislature before it can be implemented.

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Post by exhaustedandtired/1208 on Mon May 23, 2011 5:21 pm

Its hell not knowing anything more than we did last week or the week before that! About what plans are to try to get movement on 589. anything!

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Post by New_Wave_Princess on Mon May 23, 2011 5:56 pm

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But aside from these new flexibilities, the bill would impose new restrictions on the use of federal unemployment benefits, most of which are designed to ensure that benefit recipients are actively looking for work.

For example, the bill would require those who are "most likely" to exhaust benefits, such as those without a high school degree, to pursue education and training programs that boost their chances of finding work. The bill also specifies that benefit recipients must be "able to work, available to work and actively seeking work."

The section I put in bold proves that they are clueless. I'll bet there are more 99ers with degrees than high school drop-outs. I know I have been excluded from all the part-time, minimum wage McJobs because I have a degree. Why do they think that the long term unemployed are enjoying this bout of "funemployment"? Do they really think we enjoy having no life and constantly worrying about if we'll have a roof over our heads tomorrow?

I really find it insulting that they would even insinuate that we are not looking for jobs!

I think they'll find time this week to introduce 1745. It should be interesting to see how it all plays out.

I too have a degree (two in fact) and degrees are actually hurting me. I've had employers tell me they don't hire people with degrees or people with masters. I met a guy with a Ph.D in some scientific field (I think it was nuclear biology) who's been unemployed longer than me. I have applied for jobs way below my level and I am ALWAYS rejected.

I do feel those without high school diplomas should be forced to go back and get a GED but how many people today don't have one? Probably not many.

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Post by Guest on Mon May 23, 2011 6:12 pm

New_Wave_Princess wrote:
DesperateInRI wrote:
But aside from these new flexibilities, the bill would impose new restrictions on the use of federal unemployment benefits, most of which are designed to ensure that benefit recipients are actively looking for work.

For example, the bill would require those who are "most likely" to exhaust benefits, such as those without a high school degree, to pursue education and training programs that boost their chances of finding work. The bill also specifies that benefit recipients must be "able to work, available to work and actively seeking work."

The section I put in bold proves that they are clueless. I'll bet there are more 99ers with degrees than high school drop-outs. I know I have been excluded from all the part-time, minimum wage McJobs because I have a degree. Why do they think that the long term unemployed are enjoying this bout of "funemployment"? Do they really think we enjoy having no life and constantly worrying about if we'll have a roof over our heads tomorrow?

I really find it insulting that they would even insinuate that we are not looking for jobs!

I think they'll find time this week to introduce 1745. It should be interesting to see how it all plays out.

I too have a degree (two in fact) and degrees are actually hurting me. I've had employers tell me they don't hire people with degrees or people with masters. I met a guy with a Ph.D in some scientific field (I think it was nuclear biology) who's been unemployed longer than me. I have applied for jobs way below my level and I am ALWAYS rejected.

I do feel those without high school diplomas should be forced to go back and get a GED but how many people today don't have one? Probably not many.
The only problem I have with this part is for people with learning disabilities. Education isn't everything. My late brother-in-law did not have his high school diploma because he had a learning disability and back in the 60's and 70's people who were afflicted were stigmatized. He was a very successful carpenter who went on to have his own thriving business.

Again, this will be up to the individual states and there will be exceptions, however I do think it is discriminatory towards the older workers who don't have a high school diploma, many of whom enlisted in the armed services during the Viet Nam war era.

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Post by New_Wave_Princess on Mon May 23, 2011 6:22 pm

DesperateInRI wrote:IThe only problem I have with this part is for people with learning disabilities. Education isn't everything. My late brother-in-law did not have his high school diploma because he had a learning disability and back in the 60's and 70's people who were afflicted were stigmatized. He was a very successful carpenter who went on to have his own thriving business.

Again, this will be up to the individual states and there will be exceptions, however I do think it is discriminatory towards the older workers who don't have a high school diploma, many of whom enlisted in the armed services during the Viet Nam war era.

I hadn't thought of either case, I was thinking of people I know without diplomas now. My parents know a few people without diplomas their age but I think most were in those categories. By the same token I understand places not hiring people without diplomas because today there is no excuse not to have it because schools today have disability classes.

However neither of my grandparents finished high school and both are bright. Back in those days a diploma was what a degree it today and they didn't need it.

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Post by Guest on Mon May 23, 2011 9:55 pm

I think certain States have larger populations of workers/unemployed that do not have a high school education than others. In PA, they make resources available to the unemployed to get their G.E.D. while collecting. However, you cannot collect and go to school full time. You must be registered with Career Link and must be ready willing and able to accept a job if offered, within a certain % of your former salary and if it is full time as was your other position. They will match you with schools (at a reduced tuition rate) for medical transcription, Home Health Aides, etc, but not degreed institutes. They also have job matching with these schools as well. I am really surprised that each state is so different in how they handle unemployment. I do get that not each state has the same population or % of businesses that others have, but leaving it entirely in the hands of the state legislature does not seem fair at all. We would have states that approve unemployment for 4 years while other would limit it to weeks and penalize employees.

In Philadelphia right now, you cannot get most jobs without a 4 year college degree. High School degrees and G.E.D.'s will get you nothing more than janitorial and McD's with no chance of a leg up. I have 30 years experience and an Associates Degree, I rarely get a second look, add to that I am 56, so what does that tell you. Giving high school drop outs a chance to get a GED is great, but a trade would be so much better.

It's all a game anyway, they want to be able to say, no, no extensions, that's all it is.

Part of me thinks they should get it on the floor, vote on it and then go home to their respective districts and see how well they are received. Just like Paul Ryan was received after his big budget deficit reduction plan was, I am sure of it. Even if it should pass, it's doubtful it would hold water in the Senate.

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Post by gettheminNOVEMBER on Mon May 23, 2011 10:14 pm

I asked crewof42 this is the answer I got.

http://tinyurl.com/3bzzt3k

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Post by Abbie on Tue May 24, 2011 11:02 am

gettheminNOVEMBER wrote:I asked crewof42 this is the answer I got.

http://tinyurl.com/3bzzt3k

Nothing new.

I wrote to the Crew of 42 also but never received a reply. I did just find this in my inbox.

http://www.crewof42.com/?p=5768

Of 5 CBC Issues Brought to Obama, Obama Agrees to Zero So Far

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Post by fredm74 on Tue May 24, 2011 2:34 pm

I'm totally confused, Obama doesn't agree with the HR589 bill?

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Post by Guest on Tue May 24, 2011 2:37 pm

fredm74 wrote:I'm totally confused, Obama doesn't agree with the HR589 bill?

http://www.unemployed-friends2.org/t2407-of-5-cbc-issues-brought-to-obama-obama-agrees-to-zero-so-far#26306

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