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Post by Guest on Thu Jul 07, 2011 9:02 am

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Yet again they came flooding in, questions from 99ers on twitter to their President, the shadow people who exist seemingly without acknowledgement by employers and their Government. A Government they have paid for, a Government that they have had a hand in choosing.
President Obama never sees the metaphorical outstretched hand of the 99ers during these town halls, never picks the questions from the 6 million consumers who can’t pitch in and help this economy, the soon to be homeless, and the parents of children whose futures never will be. All invisible, all helpless without leaders willing to lead.

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Post by couth11 on Fri Jul 08, 2011 2:37 pm

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Post by gettheminNOVEMBER on Fri Jul 08, 2011 3:37 pm

stansmad wrote:
X wrote:Hey! Let's all blame it on one guy and underline the whole American problem with the word Obama.

President Obama is good in my books. You all must be capable of his job for one day. And you all must be so naive as to blame one person for the faults and problems that have caught up to America for so many years forthcoming. This is America, here and now. Don't expect any rewind button.

Wow, I'm not worthy. Please continue with your analysis. BTW jobs are indeed slowly coming back. Please expend at lease 1/9 of your time searching. I do.

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Jobs are coming back ? Have you seen todays jobs report ?

Where are the JOBS bills Boehner? Since you run the house? Pelosi just said the right voted down a bunch of jobs the dems just put up. I WONDER WHY? I know because the WANT OBAMA TO FAIL!! Bacmann just said herself she hopes unemployment stays high so she has a chance to win. WHICH WILL NEVER HAPPEN!!
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Post by Guest on Fri Jul 08, 2011 3:46 pm

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X wrote:Hey! Let's all blame it on one guy and underline the whole American problem with the word Obama.

President Obama is good in my books. You all must be capable of his job for one day. And you all must be so naive as to blame one person for the faults and problems that have caught up to America for so many years forthcoming. This is America, here and now. Don't expect any rewind button.

Wow, I'm not worthy. Please continue with your analysis. BTW jobs are indeed slowly coming back. Please expend at lease 1/9 of your time searching. I do.

You are so desperately eager to excuse Obama, that you have resorted to blaming the victims. "Please expend at lease 1/9 of your time searching. I do." that's blaming us, loud and clear, by implying that we do not. Congratulations. You have now descended to the level of the Conservatives.

Obama has murdered Habeas Corpus by signing a death warrant for the execution of a US citizen who has never even been arraigned, let alone given a trial by a jury of his peers. This is a gross violation of his oath of office, in which he swore to "uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States of America". Excuse that, if you will.

Obama has perpetuated the abuse of the 4th Amendment, among others, by signing the renewal of the bitterly-misnamed "Patriot Act". That too, is a violation of his oath to "uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States of America". Excuse that, if you will.

The economic stuff, sure you can argue that back and forth. But the two issues listed above are very clear cut violations of basic constitutional rights, which Obama signed, personally. He could have vetoed the Patriot Act renewal, it was his sacred duty to veto it. But he did not.

So, without a lot of emotional distractions, without attacking the messenger, without saying "well, yeah, but the Republicans are worse", let's hear you defend those actions. I'm all ears. But I'm guessing you'll just come back with another emo blast.

Crawl back down your possum hole of porn will ya. Blame is on both sides. What has the gop ever done for you?

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Post by jchapman on Fri Jul 08, 2011 5:05 pm

DesperateInRI wrote:

Yet again they came flooding in, questions from 99ers on twitter to their President, the shadow people who exist seemingly without acknowledgement by employers and their Government. A Government they have paid for, a Government that they have had a hand in choosing.
President Obama never sees the metaphorical outstretched hand of the 99ers during these town halls, never picks the questions from the 6 million consumers who can’t pitch in and help this economy, the soon to be homeless, and the parents of children whose futures never will be. All invisible, all helpless without leaders willing to lead.

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This Twitter town hall BS is something you should have expected, it's all scripted just like most of the rest of the news media. If Obama had any real guts, he'd have real town hall meetings where the unemployed couldn't be ignored, but the memories of the town halls full of angry mobs when he was pitching health care are still fresh on his mind.

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Post by couth11 on Fri Jul 08, 2011 8:41 pm

Jobless_in_Ma wrote:Well the numbers do not lie. They can not continue to ignore 99ers.... Or can they... Sad

Boehner, Cantor and Rand are all tweet-finger pointing at Obama. It is the first tweet I have ever received from any of them, and I have been tweeting them for quite sometime about unemployment HR589 and all of the things we deal with.
I have tweeted them back asking where HR 589 stands, and who is holding it up? I am also asking Obama if he will hire us. I got the idea from that law MaryKay found. Even if it turns out not to be on the books anymore, it sounds like it was at one time, and could be again.
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Post by JoanB on Sat Jul 09, 2011 10:45 am

Here's some things I will not defend:

  • More troops in Afghanistan than Bush ever had, even after the 2012 date.

  • Not pushing for ending the Bush tax cuts for the rich when the vast majority of Americans would have supported it.

  • Throwing single payer health care under the bus before the fight ever started.


Are you people who scream about defending President Obama happy now?

I could go on and on with the things this president has done that I don't like.
But here's the difference: I think he's at least doing what he thinks is in the best interest of this country. From what all I've seen and heard, the Republicans do not have the same motivations. Have you heard about this? Nice, not only trying to tank your own country's economy, but betting against it in the market.

As for the dismal job numbers, please understand that cuts in government jobs are a huge reason for that. There was actually a little growth in the private sector, but state and local government downsizing all but wiped out all of those gains. This should be a lesson to Republicans who are demanding cuts in the federal budget in this debt ceiling fight. But...no, I guess I was being silly hoping for that.
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Post by Guest on Sat Jul 09, 2011 11:46 am

And may I add one more thing please. No one is ever going to be 100% happy with any elected official, be it in Congress, Senate, Governor, State Legislature or the Presidency. You have to take the good with the bad as what may be personally important to me does not hold the same importance to another. We here on this forum badly need help right now, we are tired and disgusted and we are ignored by all but a few online reporters who are willing to do a story. We can't win this fighting with one another. If trashing our President makes you feel better, fine, but it's not getting us help. The people we put into office that have the power to help us are too busy keeping their jobs and contributions to campaigns to worry about actually writing legislation or for that matter seriously getting down to work on the issues at hand, for one, being the debt ceiling. Do you know what they have introduced for passage in Congress? They want to slow down the process of allowing gays to openly serve in the military!! Just in case anyone slept through December 2010, passed, signed into law, being implemented now, done! You lost, move on. This is why nothing gets done. What they personally want to do is run a country by THEIR laws, not ours and what they see fit to do, they will do and if we don't like it, tough darts. If there is one thing I can say I am happy about while being a 99er is that I am not paying taxes that pay salaries of people who enact legislation on previously enacted legislation. Healthcare, okay, nothing is perfect. What was the single reason people wanted hope and change, healthcare!!!!! It was one of the biggest concerns 4 years ago of every working family and single person. How did it get passed, with a lot of compromise, not perfect but better for many people who can now afford it. Who fought it the most, who would not pass it with the public option?? Right now, we cannot afford to take advantage of this, someday hopefully we will be able to and I for one will be very glad it's there. When I was laid off, my cobra letter came 1 week later. $587.45 per month for my cobra. Sure, not a problem, I can afford that on less than half my salary now. We cannot keep looking at issues to pick on because they don't help the unemployed or the 99ers. I would love to pull out of Afghanistan and my reasons are not financial at all, so shoot me. The young soldiers are my reasons. Their physical and mental health and the well being of their families, that's why. But I am not an expert on Foreign Affairs, War or Policy, so I will leave that to the advisers and their expert opinions. Don't love the tax extension either, but even as a 99er and knowing that it wouldn't help me, I understand why he did what he did. #1 it finally got the extensions of unemployment through for the millions who were still eligible to receive them in the dead of winter and at Christmas was the moral thing to do. The President again was advised that not getting benefits extended and raising taxes in this economy could have been catastrophic by the many economics advisors and professors that have been in our court all along and think the 99ers need additional benefits.

What I don't understand is why, 7 months later, states are allowed to basically re-write the rules on unemployment and extended benefits when it was in the deal and why no one is calling the beneficiaries of the tax extension on the carpet for not creating jobs. I think it would be wise to do so, as I think it would be wise to call out the banks on foreclosure fraud and the fraudulent way they didn't use TARP. It's very easy for the Republicans to constantly tell you TARP didn't work and Stimulus didn't work when they had their own State Governors return funds unused or plug nagging budget loopholes with them. Ah, but here's the rub, unused stimulus wan't supposed to be used for that and was and it was returned unused by many early this year. Well here is the problem with that little flaw. Many states last year used the funds and didn't have huge deficits as a result, so teachers weren't laid off in droves, property taxes didn't go up and many services were not cut, jump to 2011 what's happening, well teachers are losing their jobs all over the country, property taxes are going up, states are laying off in droves adding to the unemployment nightmare, services are being cut everywhere, police, fire, municipal workers, again adding to unemployment and now state benefits are being rolled back, cuts in medicaid funding, food stamps are being reduced at the very time when those with no benefits need them most. So statements like Stimulus didn't work are not based on any fact, just on the wishes of the Republicans. Their focus is not on the people or even the economy, because those who truly will elect them are not hurting a bit. They care for Wall Street (see their objections to Dodd Frank), Big Business, Oil Companies, getting rid of the EPA, Abolishing Abortion Rights, Abolishing Womens Health Initiative, Banning Gays from the Military and making our current President a one term President. That's all they care about and oh I forgot, how could I, reducing taxes further for the top 2%. When they finally reduce taxes to their preferred levels, tell me, who will be paying their salaries, who will be buying cars and gas, because this country's infrastructure will be so bad you won't have rails, roads or bridges to drive on and it won't matter because no one will go outside anymore unless they have breathing apparatus. Anyone that is lucky enough to still have a job will be working in an at will country, which wouldn't be awful if you could count on the employers have some interest in the well being of their employees, I think we know that won't happen, can you say cash hoarding. Next time you want to bash the President, think of the alternative. I am just so darn happy that we don't have McCain/Palin running the country, we all would have been 26ers, probably now all living in Unemployed Camps right next to the immigrant prisons while our soldiers continued to build not fight in Afghanistan and Iraq making Mr. Cheyney and company lots and lots of money he wouldn't have to pay taxes on.

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Post by Redpossum on Sat Jul 09, 2011 1:12 pm

The problem with your arguments, Mary Kay, is that you are suffering from political binary vision. You assume that there are only two choices, Republican or Democrat.

But there are no longer two (major) political parties in the USA. Instead, what we have today are two wings, Far-Right and Center-Right, of the Corporatist party. Both answer to the same corporate masters. Both take campaign contributions from the same corporations. Both are fawning lapdogs of AIPAC, barking out their Zionist propaganda on command.

There are two possible solutions. Either we create a viable third-party, which will not be easy, I grant you that. And I don't mean the phony astroturf Tea Party members or the neo-fascist Libertarians, both of whom are no more than what Lenin called "useful fools".

Or else we resign ourselves to the hard option, as in, "When in the course of human events...".

As long as you and those like you continue to wear the blinders that only allow you to see two options, DNC or GOP, we will remain trapped in this endless mire of business-as-usual.

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Post by Guest on Sat Jul 09, 2011 5:13 pm

I do not disagree, however, redpossum, just a reminder, I am in this mess along with all members on this forum and today, not next election is what I am worried about and trying to influence. Since, right this very moment the only two parties we have to deal with are the DNC and the GOP (with their merry band of morally void Tea Partiers), they are the people we need to write to and influence for the problems we are all facing now. For most of us, we don't know what's coming tomorrow never mind November 2012. The ones writing or actually not writing the legislation that will help us are the DNC and the GOP. While I am all for being pro-active, finding a possible candidate to represent our interests in November 2012 isn't going to help us with the immediate needs we have. Not trying to rain on your parade, not saying you are wrong, just saying I am not swallowing the GOP and Tea Party line of Bulloney that we need to reduce the deficit for our childrens children and so on and so on. How about the kids of the 99ers? Whose looking out for their interests. I still am. I can't help them by looking for a future candidate that is neither Dem. GOP, astroturf Tea Party or neo-fascist Libertarian. Obama ignores 99ers during Twitter Town Hall - Page 3 34243

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Post by Redpossum on Sat Jul 09, 2011 5:42 pm

If not now, then when?

The same argument you're employing now has been used over and over and over again. It's always, "oh, no, we can't do that now because..."

I have not voted for a Republican since 1992, and I'm never voting Republican again. Not if the Archangel Michael came down from Heaven with a flaming sword and announced in a voice of thunder that it was the will of god. No.

I voted Democrat in 2004, 2008, and 2010, because we were given the same argument you're presenting now. Well, guess what? It's three years later, and I still don't have a job. I'm through with the Democratic party. I'm never voting for them again. No.

We have to begin somewhere. We have to begin some time.

If not now, then when?

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Post by Guest on Sat Jul 09, 2011 7:08 pm

Redpossum wrote:If not now, then when?

The same argument you're employing now has been used over and over and over again. It's always, "oh, no, we can't do that now because..."

I have not voted for a Republican since 1992, and I'm never voting Republican again. Not if the Archangel Michael came down from Heaven with a flaming sword and announced in a voice of thunder that it was the will of god. No.

I voted Democrat in 2004, 2008, and 2010, because we were given the same argument you're presenting now. Well, guess what? It's three years later, and I still don't have a job. I'm through with the Democratic party. I'm never voting for them again. No.

We have to begin somewhere. We have to begin some time.

If not now, then when?

Is that your blog further down the possum hole. Whats up with the porn deal? U afraid they will ban it. Weird article dude if it is.

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Post by Redpossum on Sat Jul 09, 2011 8:44 pm

smindles wrote:

Is that your blog further down the possum hole. Whats up with the porn deal? U afraid they will ban it. Weird article dude if it is.

You tried this once and I ignored you.

The article you refer to is a response to an editorial saying that "The Male Brain is being Reprogrammed by Pornography". That premise struck me as garbage, and so I wrote a blog refuting the idea.

There is no porn on my blog, nor any links to porn. This was just an essay on the social effects of pornography.

Now, explain to me please how that has anything at all to do with the topic under discussion in this thread? Obviously, it doesn't. How about you lay off the personal attacks, especially since there is no factual basis to your slanderous insinuations.

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Post by Guest on Sat Jul 09, 2011 8:49 pm

Agreed! Personal attacks will NOT be tolerated! Stay on topic and to the point please.

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Post by Guest on Sat Jul 09, 2011 11:28 pm

Redpossum wrote:
smindles wrote:

Is that your blog further down the possum hole. Whats up with the porn deal? U afraid they will ban it. Weird article dude if it is.

You tried this once and I ignored you.

The article you refer to is a response to an editorial saying that "The Male Brain is being Reprogrammed by Pornography". That premise struck me as garbage, and so I wrote a blog refuting the idea.

There is no porn on my blog, nor any links to porn. This was just an essay on the social effects of pornography.

Now, explain to me please how that has anything at all to do with the topic under discussion in this thread? Obviously, it doesn't. How about you lay off the personal attacks, especially since there is no factual basis to your slanderous insinuations.

I just thought is weird I google 99ers and find your blog and it ends with a pro-porn outlook thats all. Sorry if I offended your pro- porn side. Back to the cause we need jobs jobs jobs

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Post by Redpossum on Sun Jul 10, 2011 12:42 am

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I just thought is weird I google 99ers and find your blog and it ends with a pro-porn outlook thats all. Sorry if I offended your pro- porn side. Back to the cause we need jobs jobs jobs

Not a pro-porn outlook, a pro-First Amendment outlook.

Why don't you just give up?

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Post by Guest on Sun Jul 10, 2011 2:13 am

Smindles, Redpossum, members, and onlookers... I'm asking for a truce here. I'm not a judge and jury. I'm just in your shoes along with millions of others. We Americans, who have been unjustly overlooked and sadly abandoned - even though we know full well our government doesn't have a clue what to do with us - well we have one thing definitely in common.

We want to live our lives the way we want to live. And we expect the common decency of our government, friends, and foes alike to realize that was and should still be the ground zero of what we and our employers paid into for our protection.

If we allow ourselves to become divided over issues that are less meaningful and indeed might be misunderstood, we are just becoming our own enemy... and we are certainly in the minority.

So I get upset, redpossum gets upset, smindles gets upset, JiM desp mk mm st nov... on and on get upset. But it is just hurting us, not moving forward, and we will lose in the end.

It's not strength by numbers, it's the power and tenacity from us few. Please let's shake hands, agree that we have the same end goal, and hopefully we'll shake their god damn tree!

God bless,
Jeff

Question: DO YOU AGREE?

Jimi, can we agree to Jimi? https://youtu.be/nGqPzrNypzw

Will we live, or will we die? https://youtu.be/8YRvWQmYMeM

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