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Post by Dazed&Confused on Wed May 04, 2011 5:32 pm

good read, check out second to last paragraph.

Reference: http://money.cnn.com/2011/04/28/news/economy/initial_claims/?section=money_latest

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By Hibah Yousuf, staff reporterApril 28, 2011: 9:39 AM ET


NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- First-time filings for unemployment claims jumped last week, coming in above the key 400,000 level for the third straight week, according to a government report Thursday.

The number of initial claims rose to to 429,000 in the week ended Apr. 23, up 25,000 from the week before. It was the highest level in three months, and surprised economists, who were expecting initial claims to drop to 390,000 in the latest report.

01Email Print "This is a major disappointment because it's another move in the wrong direction," said Tim Quinlan, economic analyst at Wells Fargo.

The 4-week moving average of initial filings-- a number that tries to smooth out week-to-week volatility -- also rose above the threshold to 408,500, up 9,250 from the previous week. The 8-week moving average, which is an even better gauge for the longer-term trend, also ticked above 400,000.

"This is more than just a misstep for the job market," Quinlan said. "It's a signal that the robust job growth we've seen recently is poised to lose momentum."

In the government's last monthly reading on the labor market, the unemployment rate fell for a fourth straight month in March to 8.8%, the lowest since March 2009, as the economy gained 216,000 jobs. The Labor Department's April job report is due at the end of next week.

Meanwhile, the number of Americans filing for ongoing claims decreased 68,000 to 3,709,000 in the week ended April 16, the latest data available. That's the lowest figure since September 2008, and below economists' estimates for 3,690,000 continuing claims.

Ongoing claims reflect people who file each week after their initial claim until the end of their standard benefits, usually after 26 weeks.

The 4-week moving average for ongoing claims fell by 22,750 to 3,697,750.

But the downward trend may not all be good news.

Quinlan said the figure could be skewed by the expiration of benefits for those Americans who have been jobless for long periods of time and are no longer eligible for unemployment insurance.

While the length of eligibility varies by state, that maximum length of time Americans can file for benefits is 99 weeks.

"We can't be certain it's a positive trend yet," Quinlan said. "The Labor Department doesn't specify whether these people are rolling off their benefits or if they've found jobs."

For healthy improvement in the job market, Quinlan said unemployment claims need to come in consistently below 400,000 and the economy needs to add between 150,000 and 200,000 jobs monthly.

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Post by Guest on Wed May 04, 2011 5:37 pm

New numbers out tomorrow for the week! Can't wait to see the spin on it. ADP reported today that 179,000 jobs were created in April. First time claims have been at 400,000 each week in April. What good are those 179,000 jobs?

The best number to come out will be Friday, I believe. The DOL will release the National Unemployment Rate for the month! Ought to be interesting how they do the fuzzy math on that!

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Post by Dazed&Confused on Wed May 04, 2011 7:36 pm

Oh we know how they lie. But I was "pleased" and "ashamed" to be happy about this:

The 4-week moving average of initial filings-- a number that tries to smooth out week-to-week volatility -- also rose above the threshold to 408,500, up 9,250 from the previous week. The 8-week moving average, which is an even better gauge for the longer-term trend, also ticked above 400,000.

"This is more than just a misstep for the job market," Quinlan said. "It's a signal that the robust job growth we've seen recently is poised to lose momentum."

BUT WHERE IS THE ROBUST JOB GROWTH! 400,000 IS THE THRESHOLD FOR ANY MOVING FOUR WEEK PERIOD AND NUMBER OVER 400,000 DURING ANY 4 WEEK MOVING PERIOD MEANS INSTABILITY. I KINDA WISH WE WOULD HAVE A DOUBLE DIP SO ALL THOSE HIGH AND MIGHT RICH WOULD START JUMPING OUT OF THEIR MANSION WINDOW. I AM NOT ASHAMED TO SAY THIS, BUT A LITTLE EMBARRASSED!

But I don't care, this is a disgrace. Oh I just was listening Senator Tom Harkin say the real unemployment rate was 16%, I guess he means SA. Oh God I wish I could go to the Senate floor and tell them a thing or two, but they already know and don't care. Nancy Reagan once said about school lunches, ketsup was a vegetable. Dazed

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Post by Guest on Wed May 04, 2011 7:44 pm

Senator Harkin has always been a champion for our cause. I remember his speeches on the Senate floor when 4213 was being fought for over the summer and then again just before Christmas.

I think he, Bernie Sanders and Sherrod Brown actually get the picture.

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Post by Dazed&Confused on Thu May 05, 2011 12:53 am

Yes Bernie Sanders gave a great old timer filibuster, 8 hours of mind boggling transparent information, he was great during that speech.

Who could not love Sherrod Brown, the man gets down and dirty emotionally. And he, Sanders and Harkin are truly for the people. A few good men, eh? Dazed
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