In Hawaii, accessing some Obama birth info is easy

Lost in the renewed scrutiny into President Barack Obama's birth records is the fact that anyone can walk into a Hawaii vital records office, wait in line behind couples getting marriage licenses and open a baby-blue government binder containing basic information about his birth.

Highlighted in yellow on page 1,218 of the thick binder is the computer-generated listing for a boy named Barack Hussein Obama II born in Hawaii, surrounded by the alphabetized last names of all other children born in-state between 1960 and 1964. This is the only government birth information, called "index data," available to the public.

troycomic wrote:This means nothing.

If you squeeze 10 pieces of fruit in a glass it is fruit juice.

If a store bought bottle contains 10% fruit juice it is not really "Fruit Juice"

Unless there is a real Birth Cert. he is not US born. So I say yank him out of office. We all have to sign on our job applications the information is true or we will be terminated.

Besides can you really consider Hawaii a real state, or an American bought navel base. At this point Puerto Rico should be a state. Living in NJ I've met more Puerto Ricans that Hawaiians. How mant do you all know

DesperateInRI wrote:

troycomic wrote:This means nothing.

If you squeeze 10 pieces of fruit in a glass it is fruit juice.

If a store bought bottle contains 10% fruit juice it is not really "Fruit Juice"

Unless there is a real Birth Cert. he is not US born. So I say yank him out of office. We all have to sign on our job applications the information is true or we will be terminated.

Besides can you really consider Hawaii a real state, or an American bought navel base. At this point Puerto Rico should be a state. Living in NJ I've met more Puerto Ricans that Hawaiians. How mant do you all know

Hawaii is a state and it was the year the President was born in it! I could have been born in Alaska, my father worked for the UPI (now part of the Associated Press) and was transferred to Nebraska when my mom was 6 months pregnant with me. If I had been born in Alaska, which in 1956 WAS NOT a state, would I not be a US citizen?

If you read that story, his certificate of live birth is on file there and available to the public. To get a more detailed one, the President himself would have a hard time doing it. This is true. Last year, I misplaced my drivers' license and in order to get a replacement I had to have my SS Card (which I had) and an original copy of my birth certificate with the state seal. You don't know the hoops I had to jump through to get that. Thank God my mom is still alive, I had to get a notarized document, with her signature and all kinds of information and send it to Nebraska's Vital Statistics bureau. The whole thing took about two weeks. The info that needed to be provided is personal and no one should have to release that information, regardless of WHO they are.

This whole birther theory is bunk! The President's record of live birth, with the address of where his parents lived at the time is good enough for me!

Also, I'm sure that is all George Bush would have provided if he had been asked if he was a US citizen.

DesperateInRI wrote:How do you know that whoever in the "big HR Office in Washington" doesn't have that. What I am saying is there is personal information on the long, official birth certificate that is nobody's business. I don't think anyone would appreciate it if they could walk into a company's HR office and ask to see an employee's birth certificate! Nor would you like to have your parent's SS numbers, the name of the attending physician, his medical license number and all the other stuff readily available for anyone who wants to see it a your local town hall!

What about all the birth certificates that are sealed for people who are adopted? How many other presidents had to prove they were citizens by providing private information to the public that is on a birth certificate? NONE, except President Obama!

lendmeflight2 wrote:Well, troycomic, lucky for DIRI it doesn't matter if you consider him and American or not. He is either way.

If I did not support Obama I would still not be a birther. You know why? Because I have common sense. If that offends you then too bad. The birther crap is nonsense. The president has shown a statement of live birth that, for any other use, is the same as the original birth certificate. I can't find my original birth certificate. I bet you want to take away my right to vote because I "must not be an American" don't you?
Whatever. Do you think that the democratic party would really not have checked, before they nominated him, that he was born here? That really makes sense to you?

I'm sure you will cry about how I am stepping on your opinion or whatever but that's how free speech works. You can say whatever you want but that doesn't other people have to accept.

We don't live in a dictatorship where you have to carry your papers with you everywhere you go to prove you shouldn't be locked up. There was a time when Americans wouldn't stand for that. The tea party is bringing fascism back.

As a matter of fact, John McCain WASN'T born in the USA but is still qualified to be president. The first continental congress, in 1790, passed a measure stating that children “born beyond the sea, or out of the limits of the United States to be natural born” IF they qualified in every other way. Obama's mother was an American. He and McCain both qualify. Arnold Schwarzeneger would NOT qualify because he was a citizen of Austria first. Barack OBama is and has only ever been a citizen of the United States.

If you don't like him you don't like him but there is no way it can be said he isn't eligible for the presidency.


I guess by your statement on drug testing you like living in a police state. I wish I had as much faith in the authorities as you do. That is the same as saying if you didn't commit a crime then you don't have to worry about being arrested. Tell that to all the people that they find innocent these days after spending 20 years in prison.

I haven't done any drugs in about 20 years but I still don't like drug tests because they can find out other things that can keep you from being hired. Not to mention that it is no one's business if I do drugs or not as long as I am not high at work, they can also find out if you are HIV positive, or diabetic, or have cancer or a host of other health issues. All from a piss test.

JoanB wrote:Owww...my head hurts..

Are the navel bases where they grow the oranges that they squeeze for the 10% fruit juice that's not really fruit juice in the bottles?

If nobody remembers ObAma, how do we know he went to school in that madrassa?

Who is Soreoto?

I've met more Puerto Ricans than North Dakotans...do we still have to take their birth certificates too?

Thank you.

troycomic wrote:

lendmeflight2 wrote:Well, troycomic, lucky for DIRI it doesn't matter if you consider him and American or not. He is either way.

If I did not support Obama I would still not be a birther. You know why? Because I have common sense. If that offends you then too bad. The birther crap is nonsense. The president has shown a statement of live birth that, for any other use, is the same as the original birth certificate. I can't find my original birth certificate. I bet you want to take away my right to vote because I "must not be an American" don't you?
Whatever. Do you think that the democratic party would really not have checked, before they nominated him, that he was born here? That really makes sense to you?

I'm sure you will cry about how I am stepping on your opinion or whatever but that's how free speech works. You can say whatever you want but that doesn't other people have to accept.

We don't live in a dictatorship where you have to carry your papers with you everywhere you go to prove you shouldn't be locked up. There was a time when Americans wouldn't stand for that. The tea party is bringing fascism back.

As a matter of fact, John McCain WASN'T born in the USA but is still qualified to be president. The first continental congress, in 1790, passed a measure stating that children “born beyond the sea, or out of the limits of the United States to be natural born” IF they qualified in every other way. Obama's mother was an American. He and McCain both qualify. Arnold Schwarzeneger would NOT qualify because he was a citizen of Austria first. Barack OBama is and has only ever been a citizen of the United States.

If you don't like him you don't like him but there is no way it can be said he isn't eligible for the presidency.


I guess by your statement on drug testing you like living in a police state. I wish I had as much faith in the authorities as you do. That is the same as saying if you didn't commit a crime then you don't have to worry about being arrested. Tell that to all the people that they find innocent these days after spending 20 years in prison.

I haven't done any drugs in about 20 years but I still don't like drug tests because they can find out other things that can keep you from being hired. Not to mention that it is no one's business if I do drugs or not as long as I am not high at work, they can also find out if you are HIV positive, or diabetic, or have cancer or a host of other health issues. All from a piss test.

You cannot offend me because you have not earned my respect. You are obviously bored and looking to fill your night with a "Forum Fight". The birther situation is only crap to ostriches, so get the sand out of your ears and realize there is the posiblity that The United States of American is being run by someone not born on this soil.

DesperateInRI wrote:There is a certificate of live birth in the city or town he was born in in Hawaii. Period. Just like you and me, and everyone else in America, it is accessible to the public.

Whatever it is you just posted is propaganda with no documentation to back it up.

Has it occurred to you that President Obama was born in 1960 or 61 (I forgot) when inter-racial marriages were totally unacceptable. Racial segregation was still common practice in this country at the time. I am sure his parents didn't flaunt the fact they were even married. I have no doubt nobody remembers his father or him, at that time, it would have been some dirty little secret. I lived through those times and I remember the hatred and the prejudice. I don't blame them for keeping to themselves. It is really a shame that even after almost 50 years since the Civil Rights Act was passed, people cannot get over the prejudices of that time.

DesperateInRI wrote:I wasn't trying to derail the topic. You mentioned nobody in Hawaii remembers Obama or his father. I was suggesting a very plausible reason as to why that might be so.

troycomic wrote:

DesperateInRI wrote:There is a certificate of live birth in the city or town he was born in in Hawaii. Period. Just like you and me, and everyone else in America, it is accessible to the public.

Whatever it is you just posted is propaganda with no documentation to back it up.

Has it occurred to you that President Obama was born in 1960 or 61 (I forgot) when inter-racial marriages were totally unacceptable. Racial segregation was still common practice in this country at the time. I am sure his parents didn't flaunt the fact they were even married. I have no doubt nobody remembers his father or him, at that time, it would have been some dirty little secret. I lived through those times and I remember the hatred and the prejudice. I don't blame them for keeping to themselves. It is really a shame that even after almost 50 years since the Civil Rights Act was passed, people cannot get over the prejudices of that time.

A certificate of live birth has no merit. You cannot even use it to get a drivers license.

And at no time was race brought up. Why are trying to derail the topic at hand with the times of racism.

You call it propaganda because it goes against your belief.

AND BY THE WAY OBOMA SAYS HE WAS BORN ON US SOIL "AND HAS NO DOCUMENTATION BACK IT UP"

Just Google "was Oboma born in the US" you will find more doubt than yes he was.

Hey, Lendmeflight2 look at all those people without common sense. Remember the crazy guy says "Everybody's Crazy"

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Blogs/Message.aspx/3074

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/03/donald-trump-i-am-really-concerned-obama-was-not-born-in-this-country.php

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kk3OMRqO7aY

lendmeflight2 wrote:

troycomic wrote:

DesperateInRI wrote:There is a certificate of live birth in the city or town he was born in in Hawaii. Period. Just like you and me, and everyone else in America, it is accessible to the public.

Whatever it is you just posted is propaganda with no documentation to back it up.

Has it occurred to you that President Obama was born in 1960 or 61 (I forgot) when inter-racial marriages were totally unacceptable. Racial segregation was still common practice in this country at the time. I am sure his parents didn't flaunt the fact they were even married. I have no doubt nobody remembers his father or him, at that time, it would have been some dirty little secret. I lived through those times and I remember the hatred and the prejudice. I don't blame them for keeping to themselves. It is really a shame that even after almost 50 years since the Civil Rights Act was passed, people cannot get over the prejudices of that time.

A certificate of live birth has no merit. You cannot even use it to get a drivers license.

And at no time was race brought up. Why are trying to derail the topic at hand with the times of racism.

You call it propaganda because it goes against your belief.

AND BY THE WAY OBOMA SAYS HE WAS BORN ON US SOIL "AND HAS NO DOCUMENTATION BACK IT UP"

Just Google "was Oboma born in the US" you will find more doubt than yes he was.

Hey, Lendmeflight2 look at all those people without common sense. Remember the crazy guy says "Everybody's Crazy"

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Blogs/Message.aspx/3074

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/03/donald-trump-i-am-really-concerned-obama-was-not-born-in-this-country.php

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kk3OMRqO7aY

So, I am supposed to believe a jewish blog, Donald Trump, and a statement from his wife taken out of context?

Yes, Donald Trump is crazy.

So you imply that I am crazy because I am saying everyone else is. That was cute and kind of funny but the vast majority of Americans believe he was born here.

You will LOVE this one.

Barack Obama admits being born in Kenya:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Se5zvGF6u9g&NR=1



He is obviously telling a joke and anyone who can't see that is an idiot. I am pulling for you troy, I hope you see through this last one.

troycomic wrote:

DesperateInRI wrote:I wasn't trying to derail the topic. You mentioned nobody in Hawaii remembers Obama or his father. I was suggesting a very plausible reason as to why that might be so.

Racism or not he would be remembered.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6711151887561862424#

lendmeflight2 wrote:

troycomic wrote:

DesperateInRI wrote:I wasn't trying to derail the topic. You mentioned nobody in Hawaii remembers Obama or his father. I was suggesting a very plausible reason as to why that might be so.

Racism or not he would be remembered.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6711151887561862424#

Ok, I wasted 14 minutes of my life watching this stupid video.

First of all it is from the baptist church which against Obama anyway. Baptist church members have proven to be the most untrustworthy people I have ever met in my life.

I don't trust religious sources of "news" they have always tended to lie to me.


So I listened to this whole video. It is a baptist asking another baptist in Kenya to translate what his "grandmother" is saying. You can't even hear her on the phone that is being translated by someone who is also hard to understand.

At the 7 minute mark you can clearly hear the translator say that she told him that Obama was born in America and that she WAS NOT present. Because it was in America, where he was born. This sort of proves MY point but I'm glad you posted it.

This is proof to you? You believe this? It's fine if you don't want this man in the white house because Jesus hates him or whatever but nobody but crazies really believes this.

That's the truth.

JoanB wrote:This is a prime example of what I was saying in another thread about how it doesn't matter how many facts you throw at them. He is imminue to them. Ask him if there is anything that ObAma could do that would put his suspicions to rest. He will tell you that yes, if he could produce that whatever it is that he wants. But I'd swear on this bag of Nutter Butters sitting right next to me that if the president actually produced whatever that is that he wants, he'd say "No! that's not legit" It's an elaborate forgery! It doesn't mean anything"!"So you see, there is no convincing, no common ground, no open minds that might consider a different perspective. But it's Saturday night and if you want to bat him around like a cat toy, I won't try to talk you out of it.