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Did We Drop the Ball on Unemployment?

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Did We Drop the Ball on Unemployment?

Post by Guest on Sun Aug 28, 2011 1:32 am

Some 25 million Americans are unemployed or underemployed — that’s more than 16 percent of the work force — but jobs haven’t been nearly high enough on the national agenda.

When Americans are polled about the issue they care most about, the answer by a two-to-one margin is jobs. The Boston Globe found that during President Obama’s Twitter “town hall” last month, the issue that the public most wanted to ask about was, by far, jobs. Yet during the previous two weeks of White House news briefings, reporters were far more likely to ask about political warfare with Republicans.

Mr. Obama, with 25 million Americans hurting, will you fight — really fight! — to put jobs at the top of the national agenda?
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/28/opinion/sunday/kristof-did-we-drop-the-ball-on-unemployment.html?_r=1

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Re: Did We Drop the Ball on Unemployment?

Post by TR11005 on Sun Aug 28, 2011 11:01 am

Only just dropping a ball on the unemployed? How about being buried in the Grand Canyon and then covered up by the Rocky Mountains!

You can't possibly say it loud enough that people need jobs, especially the exhaustees. No longer 99ers, but whatever they end up with.

Anytime the Republicans, Tea Party and rich talk about there so called right to have their taxes reduced to create jobs. Be in their face, talk loud and don't care if your rude any more. We have have had it. This is the final curtain for many of us. Obama should be screaming bloody murder, because that what is! no

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Re: Did We Drop the Ball on Unemployment?

Post by Guest on Sun Aug 28, 2011 11:29 am

TR11005 wrote:Only just dropping a ball on the unemployed? How about being buried in the Grand Canyon and then covered up by the Rocky Mountains!

You can't possibly say it loud enough that people need jobs, especially the exhaustees. No longer 99ers, but whatever they end up with.

Anytime the Republicans, Tea Party and rich talk about there so called right to have their taxes reduced to create jobs. Be in their face, talk loud and don't care if your rude any more. We have have had it. This is the final curtain for many of us. Obama should be screaming bloody murder, because that what is! no

X2!!!

I sent an email to Scott Browns office and they called me and left a message to call them back to discuss it LOL I have written several and I am guessing that they are responding to the last one I sent. I will be contacting them back monday afternoon. I am not going to pussyfoot around or fall for their bull either.

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Re: Did We Drop the Ball on Unemployment?

Post by Jobless_in_Ma on Sun Aug 28, 2011 4:42 pm

I'm very curious to the details of this call.

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Re: Did We Drop the Ball on Unemployment?

Post by USA Citizen on Sun Aug 28, 2011 5:50 pm

Did We Drop the Ball on Unemployment?

Did the unemployed ever get organized?
Did the unemployed ever form an organization?
Did the unemployed ever elect leaders to represent them?
Did the unemployed ever hire lobbyists to lobby for them?
Did the unemployed ever open a bank account to solicit donations?
Did the unemployed ever get a politician to take up their cause?
Did the unemployed ever get celebrities to do charity events?
Did the unemployed ever form statewide chapters to represent them?
Did the unemployed ever form a union to negotiate for their rights?
Did the unemployed ever do anything more than venting frustrations?
Did the unemployed ever gather in the thousands in marches?
Did the unemployed ever get serious national media attention?
Did the unemployed ever pick up the ball and get into the game?

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Re: Did We Drop the Ball on Unemployment?

Post by TR11005 on Sun Aug 28, 2011 9:53 pm

YES THE UNEMPLOYED DID PICK UP THE BALL. WE BEEN LOOKING FOR JOBS WHERE THERE ARE NOT THAT MANY!!

IT IS VERY HARD TO BECOME A POLITICAL FORCE. NO MONEY, SUPPORT AND SPREAD OUT ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
WE HAVE MORE IN COMMON WITH THE HOMELESS THAN THE POLITICIANS.
THE POLITICIANS MAKE US INVISIBLE. NOW MANY ARE BEING EXPOSED
FOR WHAT THEY REPRESENT. In the the days ahead expect the office visits and town meetings to be very proactive and LOUD.

This weekend with the hurricane,messed up an important march Saturday in Washington DC. We are on the march this time, two years overdue for many of us.

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Re: Did We Drop the Ball on Unemployment?

Post by lendmeflight2 on Mon Aug 29, 2011 2:17 pm

It's also very difficult for the unemployed to become politically organized because so few people know anything about politics or government anymore.

On the Original UFF, do any of you remember how many people would ask why Obama wouldn't just give more weeks and fix it? A lot of people thought that the president made laws like a king. I can tell you that a lot of people have been educated in the last two years.

The unemployed fight with each other two often to get anything done socially. Just from the people on this site I can tell that's true.

We need a civil rights type movement. The problem is that we need working people on our side. We don't have this and I think our nation is too selfish and too greedy to work together. This is why can't get any progress. The prevailing attitude is "I want health care but I don't care if you have it" or "I want my child to get an education but I don't care if your child does".

This has to change. Period.

Also people action takes time, how long did the civil rights movement take? 40 years?

Do we have that kind of time?

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Re: Did We Drop the Ball on Unemployment?

Post by mistermunster on Mon Aug 29, 2011 2:54 pm

lendmeflight2 wrote:It's also very difficult for the unemployed to become politically organized because so few people know anything about politics or government anymore.

On the Original UFF, do any of you remember how many people would ask why Obama wouldn't just give more weeks and fix it? A lot of people thought that the president made laws like a king. I can tell you that a lot of people have been educated in the last two years.

The unemployed fight with each other two often to get anything done socially. Just from the people on this site I can tell that's true.

We need a civil rights type movement. The problem is that we need working people on our side. We don't have this and I think our nation is too selfish and too greedy to work together. This is why can't get any progress. The prevailing attitude is "I want health care but I don't care if you have it" or "I want my child to get an education but I don't care if your child does".

This has to change. Period.

Also people action takes time, how long did the civil rights movement take? 40 years?

Do we have that kind of time?

It's a tough row to hoe when MANY people look at the UNEMPLOYED as lazy thieves who are leeching off of WHAT THEY perceive as their HARD earn money. We live in a society that is VERY selfish deep down. We will GIVE boatloads to OTHER countries in time of need but when it comes time to GIVE to their own IN NEED, it's GET A JOB you lazy bum your NOT stealing my money. All our social ills would be eliminated if people truly focused a WAY to fix it but deep down....Selfishness and GREED is at the heart of so many this nations problems, yet WE love to pronounce HIGH from the mountain top of HOW "WE" are SO giving and "SO" better a nation than everybody else, yet we have this cruel demon locked up and DENY it even exists.

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Re: Did We Drop the Ball on Unemployment?

Post by lendmeflight2 on Mon Aug 29, 2011 8:56 pm

Americans are very selfish people. I think if it were left up to the people as a whole we wouldn't give anything to other countries. This selfishness comes about because other people convince us that somebody is getting something for nothing. Personally I feel like my 99 weeks of unemployment were earned. I am not on some kind of vacation, I have been almost totally miserable since I lost my job. Whether from sheer boredom or from worrying if my benefits will be extended "this time". Heaven forbid something goes wrong and I have to call the employment security office.

I have so much gray hair underneath that I cut it out in clumps with scissors. I didn't have that even a year ago, I know it came from stress. I prematurely aged due to this experience. I still don't have leads on work.


I can tell you that other countries are not like us. In Canada people generally seem to think that everyone deserves health care.

I know lot's of English people very closely. One of my English friends, who is very conservative, asked me "Why don't Americans want health care?".

I told him they do, they just don't want anyone else to have it.

Or at least not for less.

I think that most people have miserable lives and feel like they work their lives for nothing. When they hear of someone else getting help they assume they would be turned down, we saw that evidenced today, or that the person is just getting something for nothing.

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Re: Did We Drop the Ball on Unemployment?

Post by Lacey on Mon Aug 29, 2011 10:35 pm

lendmeflight2 wrote:Americans are very selfish people. I think if it were left up to the people as a whole we wouldn't give anything to other countries. This selfishness comes about because other people convince us that somebody is getting something for nothing. Personally I feel like my 99 weeks of unemployment were earned. I am not on some kind of vacation, I have been almost totally miserable since I lost my job. Whether from sheer boredom or from worrying if my benefits will be extended "this time". Heaven forbid something goes wrong and I have to call the employment security office.

I have so much gray hair underneath that I cut it out in clumps with scissors. I didn't have that even a year ago, I know it came from stress. I prematurely aged due to this experience. I still don't have leads on work.


I can tell you that other countries are not like us. In Canada people generally seem to think that everyone deserves health care.

I know lot's of English people very closely. One of my English friends, who is very conservative, asked me "Why don't Americans want health care?".

I told him they do, they just don't want anyone else to have it.

Or at least not for less.

I think that most people have miserable lives and feel like they work their lives for nothing. When they hear of someone else getting help they assume they would be turned down, we saw that evidenced today, or that the person is just getting something for nothing.

In England they collect unemployment with unemploymet at 5-7% =
understood, no questions asked there.

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Re: Did We Drop the Ball on Unemployment?

Post by mistermunster on Mon Aug 29, 2011 10:36 pm

lendmeflight2 wrote:
I think that most people have miserable lives and feel like they work their lives for nothing. When they hear of someone else getting help they assume they would be turned down, we saw that evidenced today, or that the person is just getting something for nothing.

I know I feel I worked the last 30 years FOR NOTHING. But the whole American COWBOY tripe that SOOOOO many suck up is part of the problem. So many buy into that myth it isn't funny. Work hard (No matter what) and YOU too will MAKE IT. Biggest LIE that this country has perpertrated, It ONLY works if the criminals at the TOP ...DO their part of holding up the system, THEY built. But naw, they NO LONGER need to HOLD up their part of the bargain. They found WAYS to CHEAT on the deal, thus the problems we NOW face.

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Re: Did We Drop the Ball on Unemployment?

Post by Lacey on Mon Aug 29, 2011 10:44 pm

mistermunster wrote:
lendmeflight2 wrote:
I think that most people have miserable lives and feel like they work their lives for nothing. When they hear of someone else getting help they assume they would be turned down, we saw that evidenced today, or that the person is just getting something for nothing.

I know I feel I worked the last 30 years FOR NOTHING. But the whole American COWBOY tripe that SOOOOO many suck up is part of the problem. So many buy into that myth it isn't funny. Work hard (No matter what) and YOU too will MAKE IT. Biggest LIE that this country has perpertrated, It ONLY works if the criminals at the TOP ...DO their part of holding up the system, THEY built. But naw, they NO LONGER need to HOLD up their part of the bargain. They found WAYS to CHEAT on the deal, thus the problems we NOW face.


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Re: Did We Drop the Ball on Unemployment?

Post by jmainframe on Tue Aug 30, 2011 4:43 am

And a major part of the "plan" was to stay with the same company, fresh out of school for 20 or more years. Heck, you couldn't even become fully vested until you were with that company for 10 years or more. Somewhere that mutual loyalty between employer and employee broke down.

From one employee's perspective, I feel that the work environment became so toxic, most employees were more encouraged to leave a company than to stay. And it used to be very lucrative in doing so, getting a nice bump in salary in changing jobs. Employees soon realized though that they faced the same or different s**t no matter where they went, never able to find a home, a place where they felt appreciated by both coworkers and management.

Perhaps, if and when companies start hiring again, and hiring many people at the same time, the "new guy" could concentrate more on doing his work, and less on having to fight to be accepted and fitting in.

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