Wisconsin is making the battle lines clear in America's hidden class war

mistermunster wrote:Always a fresh perspective from outside the US

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/feb/27/republican-attack-unions-class-wisconsin

Kermit THE Frog wrote:Do you think the people have the WILL and the POWER to change things? Or is it too late munster?

mistermunster wrote:

Kermit THE Frog wrote:Do you think the people have the WILL and the POWER to change things? Or is it too late munster?

Maybe, if people stop listening to all the MEDIA lies and propaganda and THINK for themselves. The media is a MAIN culprit in keeping people at each others throats while the elite sit in their ivory towers a laughing all the way to the bank with their dishonestly acquired money.

Izzy66 wrote:I've got a burning question,


WHERE WERE ALL THESE WISCONSIN/OHIO/INDIANA PUBLIC WORKERS ON ELECTION DAY?

1. Were they just too busy to vote?
2. Were they uninformed about the issues and candidates? Did they care?
3. How many, insulated by their employed routine, believed the tea party rhetoric (like the woman above) and actually voted for the very GOP governors who now wish to take their unions out?

I strongly suspect all three possibilities were involved.

Izzy66 wrote:I've got a burning question,


WHERE WERE ALL THESE WISCONSIN/OHIO/INDIANA PUBLIC WORKERS ON ELECTION DAY?

1. Were they just too busy to vote?
2. Were they uninformed about the issues and candidates? Did they care?
3. How many, insulated by their employed routine, believed the tea party rhetoric (like the woman above) and actually voted for the very GOP governors who now wish to take their unions out?

I strongly suspect all three possibilities were involved.

tristen303 wrote:Yes but our plight is bigger and more important we are the eroding and vanishing middleclass they will still have jobs either way at least if they become UE mabye then the media will really look into our plight. I have little feelings for any group that has bought and paid for access or reps for their needs. Our schools suck, and when I was a fireman I had my other job on the off days the police did the same as did the teachers in the summer so I'm a little amused at how bad off they are compared to us. I guess they should have spent their union dues better and bought some support form the right instead of just the left maybe this will teach everyone to work with both sides if you want someting done instead of buying hot air and spin from one. The whole thing is disgusting to actually prop it up as something heroic (like Egypt) is laughable and out of touch; so the Repubs say no and the Dems just leave wow our government is so screwed up no wonder the people want less it seems to not function under most circumstances (unless were bombing people in mud huts or spending money on dictators for oil and our military industrial complex). And where are the 35 million Americans that are UE well were supporting the what 10 million Union people with a golden parachute lol no wonder nothing is getting done for us were much to vaulable to both party's in our present state pissed and needy looking to punish or help who ever gives us attention just like a homeless begger looking for change.

tristen303 wrote:No we had problems we were all just to stupid and living the good life to see them. And everyone should remember that wars destroy surpluses (especially never ending wars) and I think the only outspoken critic Kunschinch (can't spell his name) is now going to lose his seat to redistricting lol the games that are played by both sides.

tristen303 wrote:Yes to think otherwise is living in a fantasy world you see the less people there are to purchase goods the less money there is to be invested and spent. Being a consumer driven economy (and that the lefts term of "elite" applies to anybody not in a union that is a busness owner or makes over six figures and is succesful all of the forementioned group would lose there jobs, and stuff etc etc so how this would benefit the right is just laughable) we need consumers at all levels. That argument is as stupid as my side saying that the left is all socialists and communists trying to destroy the country. But I agree completely with your last statement they are not in it for us and won't be until the UE start paying dues or the top income earners become UE; we haven't bought either side and the one side just uses us for sound bites.

tristen303 wrote:The tea party is the hard right of the Repub just rebranded the same idiots that think Obama was planted in America years ago by muslims to eventually become President to destroy America, or the religious hard right version where he just is the Anti Christ 2.0 (Clinton was 1.0). But many in my party do believe that the left is looking at Socialism as an option they use the class warfare argument as proof. See both Communisim and Socialism sprung from worker movements and after seeing how succesful entitlement states are and what Unions did to Europe (with the exception of some economies) they consider such suggestions or ideals a direct threat to America.

tristen303 wrote:We are a corporate oligarchy when you see the likes of Haliburton and the special treatment given GE you know both sides are on the dole and that there masters are calling the shots. Making sure we are always looking in the wrong direction while they make there moves. Its like a Shakesperean play.