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Republicans Only Like Class Warfare Within One Class

Post by Guest on Sat Nov 26, 2011 12:39 pm

What is wrong with grabbing a bigger piece of the economic pie? Aren’t the workers entitled to a bigger piece considering they earned it by working harder, longer and smarter or is it just the owners of the corporations who get to reap what others have sown? I understand that conservatives have tried to make “entitled” a dirty word, but when it comes to labor, they are entitled to everything they earned.

Republicans do not want the wealthy to let the riches rain down on the people. They want in fighting amongst the working class, they want unions to give up wages, rather than build the non union wages up! When 60% of all economic growth and profits from 1979-2007 have gone to the top 1%, it is time for workers to share in the prosperity of this country. Prosperity should be shared, not hoarded.


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Re: Republicans Only Like Class Warfare Within One Class

Post by Guest on Sat Nov 26, 2011 12:47 pm

I am not honestly sure that all employers are following the Republican "caste" system. Some, of course do, but some right now are not hiring due to low demand, caused by, of course, high unemployment, the people unemployed right now have and always will be the spenders that drive the economy. The Saks, Tiffanys, NeimanMarcus shoppers, while wealthy and can afford to are not the economic drivers that jumpstart the economy and increase demand.

What I cannot for the life of me understand is how the Republican Party can stand behind these tax cuts for the 1% "job creators", when not only do they not create the jobs needed so desperately, but they cry out for the breaks, acting "entitled" to them. Why is this not an entitlement they are against? Further, if a company choses to deliberately not grow their business, isn't that on them. Give the tax breaks to those who really intend to grow their businesses and are holding off for a year or two so as not to cash strap themselves. A tax break for them would make the biggest difference and help create jobs, not a larger class of "entitled 1%ers". Of course, that's JMHO.


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Re: Republicans Only Like Class Warfare Within One Class

Post by tristen303 on Sat Nov 26, 2011 3:16 pm

Prosperity should be earned then depending on who contributes shared. To raise enough taxes to solve the debt problem we would have to raise taxes by 88%. The lie of the left is that raising taxes will stop the problem but it won’t.

The problem is spending, any revenue increase are eaten up through increased spending and thereby pointless. The smart thing to do (since the money isn’t yours to divvy up and has ben earned by somebody else) is to cut all sending then see where we are and raise taxes to solve the imbalance not the other way around.

Were it not for the poor the Dems wouldn’t have a base so any thinking person knows they are in no hurry to move people out of poverty without handouts lol
I now use Jefferson since the left seems to feel he was the founding father that saw their point of view:

“To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, the guarantee to everyone the free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it.” — Thomas Jefferson

“A wise and frugal government… shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government.” — Thomas Jefferson

“I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.” — Thomas Jefferson

“Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but only those specifically enumerated.” — Thomas Jefferson

“The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence. If ‘Thou shalt not covet’ and ‘Thou shalt not steal’ were not commandments of Heaven, they must be made inviolable precepts in every society before it can be civilized or made free.” — John Adams, A Defense of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America, 1787

“With respect to the two words ‘general welfare,’ I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators.” — James Madison

“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.” — James Madison

“If Congress can do whatever in their discretion can be done by money, and will promote the general welfare, the government is no longer a limited one possessing enumerated powers, but an indefinite one subject to particular exceptions.” James Madison,

“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty or safety.” — Benjamin Franklin

“I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it.” — Benjamin Franklin

And this one is the best
“The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself.” — Benjamin Franklin

The only people fighting class warfare are the ones trying to make the argument that as an American you are owed. With the examples of the EU (built on those principles that the left wants to now destroy this nation with) it amazes me were still having this discussion.

Freedom hmmm what does that mean? Are not the rich Free to or does that only apply to the lefts sliding scale based of off income? So the Occupy movement can block stores create havoc for business owners but those same owners cannot stop hiring to drive poor policy makers out of government?

So in a race where you have blue, red and white ribbons the majority that don’t get ribbons get to reset the rules and policy so that they maybe can get a ribbon? Ridiculous

The sprint this nation was founded on is described by the founding fathers in the above the last sentence applies to the EU which now is turning to us to salvage their broke asses.


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Re: Republicans Only Like Class Warfare Within One Class

Post by Guest on Sat Nov 26, 2011 6:35 pm

We aren't talking about a race and winning ribbons. We are talking about human beings, their families and their survival. It's a little different and an emergency is an emergency. We do not have the amount of jobs needed for people to return to work, we should not be cut off and cast aside so that pet programs will continue, aid to everywhere, although a necessary evil in the world we live in, while people here are starving and jobless. No one is asking to be taken care of for the rest of their lives, no one is asking for anything unfair. We have a dysfunctional government that would allow it's own people to starve to death and make them the bad guys. That's isn't what our founding fathers would have wanted either tristen. Don't tell me I am misinterpreting your words. You are itching for an argument, and where better to get one that to spit this hurtful nonsense at fellow members who are already down and out. Believe me, tristen, it hurts. The days get harder and colder and longer when no one hears the message, because they don't want to, in the name of deficits. Spending will eventually have to be cut, it can be now, but not for the programs that so desperately need it. It's been proven, they don't want to hear it.

There are many places you can post this where it won't offend people, why do you do it here?


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Re: Republicans Only Like Class Warfare Within One Class

Post by TR11005 on Sat Nov 26, 2011 9:11 pm

When our the rich going to get it. We are not taking their money. The middle class only wants to share and have every one have a piece of the pie.

The rich act like it is their football and if you don't play by their rules they will take their ball and leave. They horde their money that was earned at a lower tax rate and don't create jobs that was implied in getting it. I want to call that fraud! The middle class families used the money from the $600 to stimulate the economy. Accountability is in order!


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