Obama To Draw Sharp Distinction From Republicans On Budget

[He] will call for shrinking the nation’s long-term deficits by raising taxes on wealthier Americans and requiring them to pay more into Social Security, drawing a barbed contrast with a Republican plan to save money by deeply slashing Medicare, Medicaid and other domestic spending.

tristen303 wrote:The case has been made on this forum that by birth if you’re an American you are owed something especially from individuals that are more successful (since they have benefited so well from being an American then have to give back), so the majority that don't pay taxes have benefited also so they must pay back their fair share instead of just receiving; the argument works both ways. We as a nation are broke and this sense that one group must constantly pay for the other while the later receives benefits must end. The Wisconsin election shows that (after claiming how this vote was a vote on Gov Walker the public supported him by how many thousand more the Unions puppet). Whether it is just $50.00 or $100.00 as Americans everybody needs to pony up no excuses.

tristen303 wrote:The case has been made on this forum that by birth if you’re an American you are owed something especially from individuals that are more successful (since they have benefited so well from being an American then have to give back), so the majority that don't pay taxes have benefited also so they must pay back their fair share instead of just receiving; the argument works both ways. We as a nation are broke and this sense that one group must constantly pay for the other while the later receives benefits must end. The Wisconsin election shows that (after claiming how this vote was a vote on Gov Walker the public supported him by how many thousand more the Unions puppet). Whether it is just $50.00 or $100.00 as Americans everybody needs to pony up no excuses.

Jobless_in_Ma wrote:SO those who are hurting the most should not be helped and we should cut those services which are a lifeline in many cases to folks, while giving tax cuts to the Wealthy to spur job creation which hasn't happened yet? I think you need to re evaluate your logic on this one.

I think there needs some sacrifices to be made in this country and not from the ones suffering already, But from those who capitalized on those disgraceful policies that brought us down this road.
You can not deny that. If you do then you are blind to the reality of what lead to this problem.
If we as a nation are going to move forward then there has to be some pain felt on the rich as well. The poor (former middle class) have suffered enough!

Shared sacrifice right? What have the rich and wealthy lost? What was their sacrifice?

tristen303 wrote:I can't get the link to work

tristen303 wrote:Yes they kicked the can stating either the canned that they would blah blah blah but that the Repubs are blocking or from the repub side that they won't address until they have a budget but are aware of the problem. So one side tells me what they did last year and who's fault it is the other side feels my pain but has more pressing issues; both pointed to better jobs numbers and tried to take credit for it. I feel like Im asking a girl out in Junior High and each of her friends is giving me a different story with the same result. I think were screwed how about you

tristen303 wrote:Somethings gotta give

Abbie wrote:As far as the word entitlement goes, when I look at who keeps saying the word and I apply the theory of projection, it becomes pretty clear no one feels more entitled than the politicians and the people who paid for them.

Who does anyone know who can hold automatic votes for raises, has someone else paying for their benefits and health care? No one and they feel 'entitled' to these things too. After TARP was passed in 2008, I wrote to my Congressman after his automatic raise and asked him why he felt entitled to a raise with all that was going on at the time. The reply I got was when he is re-elected that means he's doing his job and should get a raise. Well, when I look at the gerrymandering of the district between him and Turner than his justification doesn't apply because the fact is he couldn't get elected if the district wasn't gerrymandered in his favor, but he feels entitled to be re-elected and the people who pay for him feel 'entitled' to some pay back from him. So I believe there is no greater group in this country who feel 'entitled' than politicians and the people who buy them.

These same people feel 'entitled' to lie time and again that tax cuts to the top 2% create jobs when we all know the biggest % of jobs go over seas. When we complain and ask where these jobs are, we are the ones accused of feeling 'entitled' to these jobs. But the lie continues because these people want their tax cuts and loopholes they feel entitled too.

When the politicians wanted to bail out the bankers we had to pay because they all feel 'entitled' to our money whether we liked it or not. When we complain we lost our jobs we are accused by this same bunch of politicians armed with studies done by bankers they bailed out with our money, that we feel we are 'entitled' to unemployment and that we are lazy.

Now when we say enough is enough when it comes to raising the age/cutting SS/medicare we are accused of wanting 'entitlements' again. Well we all paid in whether we liked it or not and whenever the politicians want to they feel 'entitled' to change SS/medicare yet we are not supposed to feel we are 'entitled' to our own damn money.

As far as creating jobs goes if the story is going to be the top 2% create jobs with tax breaks and loopholes, we are entitled to see these jobs because that's what we are being told. If they are not creating jobs then shut up about it. When we don't see these jobs, then they are not entitled to tax breaks/loopholes etc. and if they don't like it they can go live where these jobs are and take the politicians they bought with them because enough of their 'entitlement' mentality is enough and that is what is killing this Country.

Abbie wrote:As far as the word entitlement goes, when I look at who keeps saying the word and I apply the theory of projection, it becomes pretty clear no one feels more entitled than the politicians and the people who paid for them.

Who does anyone know who can hold automatic votes for raises, has someone else paying for their benefits and health care? No one and they feel 'entitled' to these things too. After TARP was passed in 2008, I wrote to my Congressman after his automatic raise and asked him why he felt entitled to a raise with all that was going on at the time. The reply I got was when he is re-elected that means he's doing his job and should get a raise. Well, when I look at the gerrymandering of the district between him and Turner than his justification doesn't apply because the fact is he couldn't get elected if the district wasn't gerrymandered in his favor, but he feels entitled to be re-elected and the people who pay for him feel 'entitled' to some pay back from him. So I believe there is no greater group in this country who feel 'entitled' than politicians and the people who buy them.

These same people feel 'entitled' to lie time and again that tax cuts to the top 2% create jobs when we all know the biggest % of jobs go over seas. When we complain and ask where these jobs are, we are the ones accused of feeling 'entitled' to these jobs. But the lie continues because these people want their tax cuts and loopholes they feel entitled too.

When the politicians wanted to bail out the bankers we had to pay because they all feel 'entitled' to our money whether we liked it or not. When we complain we lost our jobs we are accused by this same bunch of politicians armed with studies done by bankers they bailed out with our money, that we feel we are 'entitled' to unemployment and that we are lazy.

Now when we say enough is enough when it comes to raising the age/cutting SS/medicare we are accused of wanting 'entitlements' again. Well we all paid in whether we liked it or not and whenever the politicians want to they feel 'entitled' to change SS/medicare yet we are not supposed to feel we are 'entitled' to our own damn money.

As far as creating jobs goes if the story is going to be the top 2% create jobs with tax breaks and loopholes, we are entitled to see these jobs because that's what we are being told. If they are not creating jobs then shut up about it. When we don't see these jobs, then they are not entitled to tax breaks/loopholes etc. and if they don't like it they can go live where these jobs are and take the politicians they bought with them because enough of their 'entitlement' mentality is enough and that is what is killing this Country.

tristen303 wrote:The Unions moved the jobs overseas by pricing labor out of the market (some jobs are just easy jobs and shouldnt be entitled to benefits at the cost of the skilled workers), had the companies not moved they would have gone BK being unable to compete thanks to them. Everyone needs to pay taxes now EVERYONE the nanny state is dead as it should be. The tax code needs to be reworked, the wars stopped, SS, Medicare, defense and all need to be cut and reworked and Obama isn't the leader to do it he needs to go (although nobody else looks any better).

gettheminNOVEMBER wrote:

tristen303 wrote:The Unions moved the jobs overseas by pricing labor out of the market (some jobs are just easy jobs and shouldnt be entitled to benefits at the cost of the skilled workers), had the companies not moved they would have gone BK being unable to compete thanks to them. Everyone needs to pay taxes now EVERYONE the nanny state is dead as it should be. The tax code needs to be reworked, the wars stopped, SS, Medicare, defense and all need to be cut and reworked and Obama isn't the leader to do it he needs to go (although nobody else looks any better).

Are you watching his speech? Its not too bad, still waiting on a jobs plan though. He wants to end the Bush tax breaks. We will see