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Post by USA Citizen on Wed Feb 20, 2013 6:44 am

First topic message reminder :

It Takes a B.A. to Find a Job as a File Clerk

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/20/business/college-degree-required-by-increasing-number-of-companies.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc

'The college degree is becoming the new high school diploma: the new minimum requirement, albeit an expensive one, for getting even the lowest-level job.'

“When you get 800 résumés for every job ad, you need to weed them out somehow,” said Suzanne Manzagol, executive recruiter at Cardinal Recruiting Group.

“I am over $100,000 in student loan debt right now,” said Megan Parker, who earns $37,000 as the firm’s receptionist.

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Post by Guest on Thu Feb 28, 2013 2:31 am

Okay, thanks Hunter. Respect.

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Post by Springflowers on Sat Mar 02, 2013 9:37 am

DesperateInRI wrote:A college education is a scam?? Please don't discourage today's youth from getting a college degree, they will go nowhere in life without one, unless they have some type of technical training. One does not have to attend a prestigious college in order to land a job. Attending a community college for two years then transferring to a state college for the last two years is the most economical way for young people to get their education today. Pell Grants and hundreds of other scholarships are out there. You have to look!

Yes it is a scam. Unless you are getting a degree in certain areas or ones where you are taught practical skills-community college, you are just digging your debt hole larger, the jobs just are not there.

Watch this video COLLEGE CONSPIRACY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A75KERKwEQM

"NIA tracks price inflation in all U.S. industries and there is no industry that has seen more consistent price inflation this decade than college education. After the burst of the Real Estate bubble, student loans are now the easiest loan to receive in the U.S., and total student loan debts now exceed credit card debts. The government gives out easy student loans to anybody, regardless of grades, credit history, what they are majoring in, and what their job prospects are. NIA believes it is illegal for the U.S. government to be in the student loan business because the U.S. constitution doesn't authorize it. Just like how the U.S. government created Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to make housing affordable, but instead drove housing prices through the roof; the U.S. government, by trying to make college more affordable, is accomplishing the exact opposite and driving tuition prices to astronomical levels that provide a negative return on investment.

The U.S. has been experiencing 5.15% annual college tuition inflation this decade. Despite this, 70.1% of high school graduates are now enrolling into college, a new all time record. 2/3 of college students are now graduating with an average of $24,000 in debt. There is nothing special about getting a college degree if everyone else has one, and it is certainly not worth getting $24,000 into debt to camouflage yourself into the crowd. NIA's President is friends with hundreds of CEOs of mid-sized corporations who tell him that someone who skipped college is a lot more likely to stand out amongst the hundreds of applicants who apply for each job available."

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Post by Springflowers on Sat Mar 02, 2013 9:38 am

Hunterforjobs wrote:No, I was saying there are many people who have degrees, many people think degrees are instant job guarantees. If that were the case, none of us would be unemployed.

A degree gets you in the door, the rest is marketing yourself and telling the job you are right for them and why you are right for them and what you offering them. However, degree or not, employers or HR are playing games. Requiring a masters to stock shelves what does that tell us? And yes Industrial psychologists are the ones behind those assessment tests.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_and_organizational_psychology

They are playing games. there are those who profit off forcing everyone to go into lifelong servitude and debt for college degrees. Outside of some STEM fields and technological ones, why should people pay someone to impart knowledge that can be found on the internet for FREE, especially if you know how badly most textbooks are written.

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Post by DesperateInRI on Sat Mar 02, 2013 12:39 pm

Springflowers wrote:
DesperateInRI wrote:A college education is a scam?? Please don't discourage today's youth from getting a college degree, they will go nowhere in life without one, unless they have some type of technical training. One does not have to attend a prestigious college in order to land a job. Attending a community college for two years then transferring to a state college for the last two years is the most economical way for young people to get their education today. Pell Grants and hundreds of other scholarships are out there. You have to look!

Yes it is a scam. Unless you are getting a degree in certain areas or ones where you are taught practical skills-community college, you are just digging your debt hole larger, the jobs just are not there.

Watch this video COLLEGE CONSPIRACY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A75KERKwEQM

"NIA tracks price inflation in all U.S. industries and there is no industry that has seen more consistent price inflation this decade than college education. After the burst of the Real Estate bubble, student loans are now the easiest loan to receive in the U.S., and total student loan debts now exceed credit card debts. The government gives out easy student loans to anybody, regardless of grades, credit history, what they are majoring in, and what their job prospects are. NIA believes it is illegal for the U.S. government to be in the student loan business because the U.S. constitution doesn't authorize it. Just like how the U.S. government created Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to make housing affordable, but instead drove housing prices through the roof; the U.S. government, by trying to make college more affordable, is accomplishing the exact opposite and driving tuition prices to astronomical levels that provide a negative return on investment.

The U.S. has been experiencing 5.15% annual college tuition inflation this decade. Despite this, 70.1% of high school graduates are now enrolling into college, a new all time record. 2/3 of college students are now graduating with an average of $24,000 in debt. There is nothing special about getting a college degree if everyone else has one, and it is certainly not worth getting $24,000 into debt to camouflage yourself into the crowd. NIA's President is friends with hundreds of CEOs of mid-sized corporations who tell him that someone who skipped college is a lot more likely to stand out amongst the hundreds of applicants who apply for each job available."
BULLSHIT! Apologies to my fellow forum members for being so bold, but that is what this line of thinking is! It is NOT true that they are handing out student loans like candy. They have cut back considerably over the past 10-15 years! Students need co-signers with perfect credit to get one! Once again, it is a matter of living within your means. Scholarships and grants can get most kids through a state college or tech school without incurring a huge debt! No one ever said you have to graduate from Harvard to get a job!

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Re: It sure beats washing cars

Post by elvis44102 on Sat Mar 02, 2013 1:18 pm

Here in Ohio i have friends who take com coll classes...

they go online tuition for one is $700 for 6 cr hrs (the miniimum hrs to qualify for grants/loans) Pell grants = $5500 per year

the $5500 grant is divided by 2 (half for each semester) that leaves $2750 per semester since they are only going half time (6cr hrs)

they recieve half of the $2750 in FREE grants persemester $1375, out of the $1375 FREE grant tuition and books are purchase (books can run abou $300 total)

so we are looking at $1375 minus $1000 (books and tuition), which leaves $375 rebate in cash for living expenses...

my friends are also taking additional loans for living expenses of about $2800 per semester....

we still live in a world that places a value on education like it or not and this is NOT a HUGE debt....

some of my friends have used this money to live on for a while now..
(that is a seperate issue)..

I went back to school and got a 2 yr degree in computer science, and have gotten SOME work here and there. when i started i knew absoulutly nothing about PCs and having coursework laid out in a disciplined manor was an advantage..

after learning what areas are more important than others i have done much research on the Web, but that organized coursework was an advantge when there was so much material to learn it could be quite overwhelming..

Certifications are also in demand in the PC field, and this seems almost like an alternative to a degree at times, but this is also DOCUMENTED proof of some ability in your field...

HR people barely know the language when interviewing, and the IT dept persons actually ask the questions in determining my knowlege of things PC

the more advanced PC courses actually had NO textbooks and required researching the Web for assignments (i have taken all 4 yr degree PC coursework)...

many PRIVATE schools that take Pell grants and acept student Loans are junk, probably most, but not ALL. The free marketers would want to do away
with fraud laws and let the market dictate EVERYTHIN...

buyer beware applies in the education market

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Re: It sure beats washing cars

Post by Hunterforjobs on Sat Mar 02, 2013 2:18 pm

Diploma mills are scams. There are plenty of people with Harvard degrees that are unemployed or not working in their degree field. Student loans have been removed from the for profit industry to the not for profit and directly from the government. Education is not a scam and never will be a scam. Conspiracy theorists abound. What is a scam is the Gop, why they have the final say in everything is beyond me. Education is one of the greatest gifts you can give yourself.

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