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Post by beretta1071@gmail.com on Tue Feb 19, 2013 11:10 pm

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This situation that all of unemployed find our selves in is just unprecedented and to some extent with no way out.  I have a job, but my husband has been unemployed since October 2012, he has worked on and off temp jobs all thru 2012.  

It is so sad that that a job is the new lottery now, if you get laid off, you are basically screwed.  With the combination of so few jobs, more lay-offs, price of food and gas going up, we are in a perfect storm.    It is like we are all stuck in a nightmare that we cannot wake up from.  We need money to buy basic needs, if you don't have a job = no money.   You can't just "get a job" someone has to offer one to you.  If no one offers you a job, their is nothing you can do.  If you can't pay your rent=become homeless.    If you live in apartment you can't grow your own food.   I' am afraid more and more people are going to become unemployed, until the unemployed outnumber the employed  (mark my words it will happen)

I can't believe what an unbelievable situation millions of people have been thrown into, and nothing is being done about it.   This is forced poverty and destitution being foisted on us.  This is the stuff revolutions are made of.  Unfortunately I don't feel hopeful of that either, the goverment will just declare martial law and that will be the end of any uprising or revolution.

In my opinion, it is time for a universal basic income for all of the unemployed,  ( that is another discussion).  Other wise I don't have any answers.

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Re: We are so crued

Post by USA Citizen on Sat Mar 30, 2013 6:13 pm

Jane P wrote:I am starting to think our government does know just how bad things are. Read about some of the new gun control laws being proposed. Our government would secretly love to disarm a huge chunk of our population.
Why disarm? There is a cost effective method of reducing the number of unemployed Americans without having to create jobs and it will also cut back the number of citizens who would claim unemployment benefits, Social Security, Disability, Obamacare and other government programs.

Why does Homeland Security need 1.4 billion rounds of ammunition?
Lee DeCovnick
The Department of Homeland Security has purchased 1.4 billion rounds of ammunition- that is not a typo -- during the last six months. This includes 450 million rounds of .40 hollow point, 200 million rounds of .223 rifle ammunition, and 176,000 rounds of .308 168-grain hollow point boat tail (HPBT) that is used almost exclusively as ammo for sniper rifles. Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/09/why_does_homeland_security_need_14_billion_rounds_of_ammunition.html#ixzz2P3iQjjgi

Putting 1.4 Billion Rounds Into Perspective, And The 1400 lbs Of High Tech Explosives DHS Just Ordered – Video’s
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2012/08/putting-1-4-billion-rounds-into-perspective-along-with-the-1400-lbs-of-high-tech-explosives-dhs-just-ordered-videos-2458214.html

Is the Department of Homeland security to protect us from foreign terrorists, or to protect the central government from the American people? ... Oddly enough ALL the bullets they bought were hollow-points, which have been banned in international warfare since 1899, but somehow our civil authorities find it appropriate?" ...

Of course the amount of hollow point bullets, which happen to be military-grade and in sufficient enough quantity to allocate 4 bullets per American citizen, also happen to be several times the ‘normal’ amount of training-related orders put in by government agencies."

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Re: We are so crued

Post by SameOlSong on Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:29 pm

beretta1071@gmail.com wrote:

It is so sad that that a job is the new lottery now, if you get laid off, you are basically screwed. With the combination of so few jobs, more lay-offs, price of food and gas going up, we are in a perfect storm. It is like we are all stuck in a nightmare that we cannot wake up from.

I can't believe what an unbelievable situation millions of people have been thrown into, and nothing is being done about it. This is forced poverty and destitution being foisted on us. This is the stuff revolutions are made of. Unfortunately I don't feel hopeful of that either, the goverment will just declare martial law and that will be the end of any uprising or revolution.

In my opinion, it is time for a universal basic income for all of the unemployed, ( that is another discussion). Other wise I don't have any answers.
You are so right! But truth is unless we have a manufacturing structure to back our economy, a manufacturing sector that is her in America and not outsourced, our economy will never get better. I know it sounds cruel, but think about it. The 1950's were a great decade of jobs all the way into the 70's we had good jobs and you could afford to send your kids to college, buy a new car, retire young. Now you can't. Because manufacturing has gone east. Manufacturing is what made our country strong and provided jobs. Think about it next time you shop at Wal Mart, which by the way Wal Mart is the biggest outsourcer of American jobs, because 80 to 90 percent of everything they sell is Chinese made. Think of all the Chinese workers who are making this stuff and then think of how many jobs Americans could have if it weren't for that Chinese worker. Not that I am prejudice, I am not, but we live in a Predatory Capitalist society. That means that the big devour the small, like Wal Mart. They run small business out of towns they come into and then they sell us products made in China that takes away even more jobs. Am I blaming Wal Mart, not for all the blame, they are putting out the candy and we are eating it. So the consumer as well as the Retailer are both to blame. We buy cheap, but we put ourselves out of work doing it.

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Re: We are so crued

Post by Sarah Mindles on Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:30 pm

I'm so sick of everyone blaming everyone but themselves. As long as you keep to that notion you'll never pass "go"!

For Christ sake, let's get with it!

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Re: We are so crued

Post by SameOlSong on Thu Apr 11, 2013 7:39 pm

I have always kept that notion. Always will. Fact is without Manufacturing the American economy will never get better, and as long as we, keep outsourcing manufacturing we will also continue to outsource our jobs. Yes, we are to blame and so are the retailers. As long as we buy outsourced products our jobs will continue to disappear. Nothing wrong with Trade, we have always traded with other countries, but we have free and open trade now, which adds to Predatory capitalism. Which the big devour the small. And that means large corporations eat the small guys. Fact! Not conjecture, or blaming someone else, it is just a truth of economics.

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Re: We are so crued

Post by USA Citizen on Fri Apr 12, 2013 1:09 am

I got a job referral today from a recruiter for a big name company. These are the people they are looking to hire:

Which groups do you identify with?
Veteran
Hispanic
African-American
Woman
LGBT
Asian
Disabled
Other / Choose not to identify

The recruiter was ihispano.
I guess the company didn't need any white males that aren't Veterans, Hispanic, African-American, LGBT, Asian, or Disabled.


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Re: We are so crued

Post by ChurningMan on Fri May 03, 2013 8:28 am

Beretta: your main point is definitely on-track.

Sarah: I hope things are going well for you, but I also hope that you realize how naive your comment is.

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Re: We are so crued

Post by USA Citizen on Fri May 03, 2013 11:25 am

beretta1071@gmail.com wrote:This situation that all of unemployed find our selves in is just unprecedented and to some extent with no way out. ...

I can't believe what an unbelievable situation millions of people have been thrown into, and nothing is being done about it. This is forced poverty and destitution being foisted on us. This is the stuff revolutions are made of....
It is my opinion that unless the unemployed get together as a group to do something about our situation then we will face death as individuals. The government does not seem to want to do anything except cheer when hundreds of thousands of jobless Americans give up their search for employment, which causes the official statistics to show that fewer people are looking for work. Unfortunately, they then become homeless and have to rely on charity or government services. Some find other ways to end their misery:

Suicide Rates Rise Sharply in U.S.
By TARA PARKER-POPE

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/03/health/suicide-rate-rises-sharply-in-us.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc

"More people now die of suicide than in car accidents, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which published the findings in Friday’s issue of its Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report."
The rise in suicides may also stem from the economic downturn over the past decade. Historically, suicide rates rise during times of financial stress and economic setbacks. “The increase does coincide with a decrease in financial standing for a lot of families over the same time period,” Dr. Arias said.

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Basic income for the unemplyed??

Post by pbrad009 on Wed Sep 03, 2014 1:04 pm

beretta1071@gmail.com wrote:
In my opinion, it is time for a universal basic income for all of the unemployed,  ( that is another discussion).  Other wise I don't have any answers.


For lack of words, my little circle friends will speak for me:  Laughing  No

 Who would fund the basic income?
 Would there be a cost of living allowance by state and region?
 Would they ever expire?
Would it be subject to income tax?

Why should we pay people who can but don't work? There is enough abuse of the existing system already.
I believe that the universal basic income for the unemployed should be $0.

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Post by Knight1009 on Wed Sep 03, 2014 10:23 pm

I don't know if you are unemployed or not. You make the situation of the unemployed seem so simple, and to just get a job. A job has to be offered to you. Also its like musical chairs, their are only so many jobs and the number of unemployed is higher than the available jobs, that is the main problem. So if their are say 10 jobs but 20 people, 10 people will be left without a job. It is a numbers game.

Yes I offered the solution of a universal basic income for all, not just the unemployed. The reason is what are people that lose the game of musical chairs because their are not enough chairs suppose to do? One needs money to survive, so how do the unemployed survive without an income?

If there is not enough work for everyone, what should people do, steal to buy food or pay rent, starve, live in tent or their car (thier are plenty already living like that)?

So what is the solution to the masses of unemployed people? what would you suggest?

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Post by pbrad009 on Thu Sep 04, 2014 1:14 pm

Knight1009 wrote:I don't know if you are unemployed or not.  You make the situation of the unemployed seem so simple, and to just get a job.  A job has to be offered to you.  Also its like musical chairs, their are only so many jobs and the number of unemployed is higher than the available jobs, that is the main problem.  So if their are say 10 jobs but 20 people, 10 people will be left without a job.  It is a numbers game.  

Yes I offered the solution of a universal basic income for all, not just the unemployed.  The reason is what are people that lose the game of musical chairs because their are not enough chairs suppose to do? One needs money to survive, so how do the unemployed survive without an income?

If there is not enough work for everyone, what should people do, steal to buy food or pay rent, starve, live in tent or their car (thier are plenty already living like that)?

So what is the solution to the masses of unemployed people? what would you suggest?  

Currently I am on what some term "Funemployment", living off savings until I decide to reenter the work force.

It is a fallacy to see the world of employer-employee relationships as a zero sum gain scenario, where there is only a finite quantity of resources available. Jobs are created and lost all the time, mostly based on supply and demand principles or economic efficiency. It is more like a marketplace, where you, the candidate for employment, has skill and experience, knowledge and know-how, to meet a prospective employer's needs. Calling it a numbers game casts the problem in the wrong light.

Yes, it can be competitive. It is up to the candidate to be superior in his\her field. Go to night school, work pro bono or for charity, volunteer....re-educate, re-tool, refresh, rinse and repeat. In some companies it is definitely who, not what, you know, but that is not the case everywhere.

One solution to reduce unemployment would be for the government to shrink down to a bare minimum. Cease runaway spending and over taxing. Adopt a laissez faire attitude toward businesses, except that they do not "off-shore" their jobs. This would create more job growth at home.

The last thing we want is a guaranteed income for everybody.

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Post by Knight1009 on Thu Sep 11, 2014 10:11 am

Your analysis of the situation still does NOT do anything to help the masses of unemployed. You say one should stand out from the crowd, sure good idea, what about the rest? If one is not exceptional does one not deserve to EAT and have a roof over their head. This survival of the fittest idea that you have is cruel and barbaric. We need enough jobs for everyone, smart, average, exceptional, manual labor, computer geeks. Everybody is different, we need enough jobs to accomodate everyone, or any economy that takes care of the needs of all WITHOUT exception, whether one has a job or not, why is that such a horrible idea, it is the humane thing to do.

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Post by pbrad009 on Mon Sep 15, 2014 1:06 pm

I think my ideas would well do the masses of unemployed. You want to stand out from the crowd so that you can have a better income, provide for yourself and your family.

Your idea of a universal basic income wouldn't help either. That sounds like a socialist concept.

I would not deny anyone the right to eat. Every municipality should have a poor farm, where whole families without income could live. These establishments were self-sustaining to some degree, and its past time we bring them back


If the poor farm is not an option, how about a food-for-work program? It could be run out of an old factory or abandoned house, what ever was needed. The chronically unemployed would show up everyday. They would be organized into work squads which would venture out to do community work. This would include working with the sanitation department and other local services. They would pick up trash, sweep streets, dig ditches, and some menial jobs as well. At the end of each work day they would be handed some food commensurate with the work they did. There will be some that can't work due to disability or illness. They can watch the children, and help serve the meals to the work gangs when they come back for the day. The meals will consist of food that grocers and big box stores were ready to throw out because they were date expired. The ones that can work will subsidize those who can't, or won't. Just like in real life.

In winter time these work crews will shovel out snowed-in cars of employed home owners. It will be a win-win situation: The 99er work crews will have an opportunity to re-enter the labor force, and the home owners can get to work on time.


We don't need any more jobs for computer geeks. Those positions are over-staffed already. The same with administrative and manager jobs.

Hey uh, Knight1009, when was the last time YOU gave someone a job?

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Post by DesperateInRI on Thu Sep 18, 2014 8:39 pm

Get a wife pbrad009! Where do you get your brilliant ideas of poor farms and 99er work farms? Sounds like a quote by Ebenezer Scrooge when asked for a donation for charity. Glad you are enjoying FUNEMPLOYMENT, but you betterget with it. Savings won't last forever. Stop your condescending bullshit*t or take a hike.

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Post by pbrad009 on Sun Sep 21, 2014 1:43 am

DesperateInRI, we used to have poor farms, work farms, almshouses...institutes to help those in dire need. A 99er work farm? Well, I hadn't coined that term, but I guess it applies. I was a little condescending ("real life"?), but for many people, including the homeless and long term unemployed, a food for work program would be better than starving. Expired food is not spoiled, just past the point it can be sold. Ninety-niners helping and supporting other 99ers. And with minimal cost to the taxpayers. A food for work program would be a much more viable way of helping the 99ers than just throwing money at them.
On poor farms, the entire family moved there, and they grew their own food, and sold the surplus for profit.

I will reenter the work force when I need too. And you can quit flaming me in the meantime.

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