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Post by stillnutty on Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:08 pm

From the article

I believe we can build on the progress we have made and to continue to fight for new jobs and new opportunity and new security for the middle class, Obama said, I believe we can keep the promise of our founders, the idea that if you are willing to work hard.. you can make it here in America.

The administration has said that it s top two priorities at the outset of his second term are immigration reform and gun control. Despite an ongoing job crises, creating quality jobs seems to have fallen a few slots on the Presidents to do list.

The answer is very clear. We need substantial additional stimulus to support the economy, said Heidi Shierholz, an economist at the Economic Policy Institute. We are choosing as a country, and a town, Washington, not to do it, with millions of jobless workers.

Mid wage jobs, ones with median hourly wages ranging from 13.84 to 21.13 accounted for 60 percent of the jobs lost during the recession. Jobs earning less than 13.84 have made up 58 percent of the recovery growth.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/14/obama-jobs-plan_n_2450429.html

Mr President, I guess by starting this topic, I am venting at you today. I, and I am sure the millions that have been out of work, and backed you for both terms, are waiting for you to make good on your promises. And we can t wait any longer. We are waiting for you to be more than just the lesser of two evils in the last election. Evil or Very Mad








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Post by DesperateInRI on Mon Jan 14, 2013 2:04 pm

While I support stricter gun control regulations, especially after the Newtown tragedy, JOB CREATION SHOULD BE THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY in this country right now! How long have we been waiting to see even one decent piece of legislation addressing this humanitarian crisis happening in our country right now!

Mr. President, you ran on the platform of helping the middle class! This has gone on too long!
I don't care about illegal immigration right now, too many legal Americans are suffering! While some people will blame the job shortage on illegal immigrants, it's just not so! Wall St. and big corporations are the cause!

Why is everyone, both in government and in the private sector so silent about this? Cutbacks and layoffs are still happening all over the country. These jobs aren't coming back! HELP US NOW!

Vice President Biden, and a big portion of the congressional delegation are working on gun laws, please put JOBS AND THE ECONOMY AS YOUR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY!!!

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Post by Hunterforjobs on Mon Jan 14, 2013 3:39 pm

DesperateInRI wrote:While I support stricter gun control regulations, especially after the Newtown tragedy, JOB CREATION SHOULD BE THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY in this country right now! How long have we been waiting to see even one decent piece of legislation addressing this humanitarian crisis happening in our country right now!

Mr. President, you ran on the platform of helping the middle class! This has gone on too long!
I don't care about illegal immigration right now, too many legal Americans are suffering! While some people will blame the job shortage on illegal immigrants, it's just not so! Wall St. and big corporations are the cause!

Why is everyone, both in government and in the private sector so silent about this? Cutbacks and layoffs are still happening all over the country. These jobs aren't coming back! HELP US NOW!

Vice President Biden, and a big portion of the congressional delegation are working on gun laws, please put JOBS AND THE ECONOMY AS YOUR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY!!!

I like Obama, I really do. I think the middle class was his foremost priority for his second term until the Newton tragedy and people's raw emotions because of the age of the victims and him being a father first and foremost himself. It happened around the holiday season, and I would hope, if it happened during any other time of year, people would be as emotional.

I can't fault Obama for his stance on gun control even though I honestly do not believe in it myself. I'm not a gun enthusiast by any means, don't even own one, but I do believe in the 2nd Amendment and we have a right a to bear arms and so we have a right to bear arms.

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Re: Obama s Job One Middle Class Employment Problems

Post by stillnutty on Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:38 pm

Hunterforjobs, being from Conn, I was not in anyway trying to downplay, or dismiss the tragedy. I am also a big Obama supporter.

The point I was making, as in the case of gun control, or it seems any other issue, something is ALWAYS put first before the need for a comprehensive jobs package, and it has been going on for years now !

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Post by Hunterforjobs on Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:44 pm

stillnutty wrote:Hunterforjobs, being from Conn, I was not in anyway trying to downplay, or dismiss the tragedy. I am also a big Obama supporter.

The point I was making, as in the case of gun control, or it seems any other issue, something is ALWAYS put first before the need for a comprehensive jobs package, and it has been going on for years now !

Because of the outcry for it. I cannot watch TV or open a newspaper or go on FB or any other site without seeing a gun control ad either for or against, and the many petitions I've seen advertised to sign for banning or against banning and many show the young victims of Newton school and parental fear.
The Unemployed, long term or other wise, are they making such an outcry?

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Re: Obama s Job One Middle Class Employment Problems

Post by stillnutty on Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:07 pm

No because we don t have the money, or connections, that those lobbying for or against the gun issue have.

You have been around the forums long enough to know that our only way of advocating was to call and E Mail our Reps, which was largely ignored then, and even more so now.

If Mr Obama was serous when he ran on a platform of jobs, then it is now up to him to bring it front and center.

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Post by MarilynL on Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:16 pm

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DesperateInRI wrote:
Why is everyone, both in government and in the private sector so silent about this? Cutbacks and layoffs are still happening all over the country. These jobs aren't coming back! HELP US NOW!

I like Obama, I really do. I think the middle class was his foremost priority for his second term until the Newton tragedy and people's raw emotions because of the age of the victims and him being a father first and foremost himself. It happened around the holiday season, and I would hope, if it happened during any other time of year, people would be as emotional.

I can't fault Obama for his stance on gun control even though I honestly do not believe in it myself. I'm not a gun enthusiast by any means, don't even own one, but I do believe in the 2nd Amendment and we have a right a to bear arms and so we have a right to bear arms.


I agree...and unfortunately we cannot forget Congress who plays a good part and what Obama can put forth. Presidents fail often in their promises because of them. I will not lay this all on Obama

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Re: Obama s Job One Middle Class Employment Problems

Post by stillnutty on Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:50 pm

In my original post, I said I was venting my feelings, and frustrations over what was stated in the article in an supposed letter to Mr President. Although I can t speak for DIRI, I feel she picked up on this and was doing the same.

What I do not see, is either of us laying all the blame on him for this. But voicing our opinions, in an again, SUPPOSED letter to him.

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Post by DesperateInRI on Mon Jan 14, 2013 6:22 pm

stillnutty wrote:In my original post, I said I was venting my feelings, and frustrations over what was stated in the article in an supposed letter to Mr President. Although I can t speak for DIRI, I feel she picked up on this and was doing the same.

What I do not see, is either of us laying all the blame on him for this. But voicing our opinions, in an again, SUPPOSED letter to him.
Thank you, nutty, that is exactly what I was doing. In no way am I downplaying the tragedy that happened on December 14, and we can't let this discussion go any longer without resolution. Vice President Biden was appointed to lead this discussion, and there are several congressional committees (all of the RI congressional delegation are on those committees). That tragedy happened too close to home, and my heart broke as I was watching the news each day. The other day, I pick my great-nephew up at school, he is in kindergarten. When I saw those youngsters come out, I nearly cried. The same age as those whose lives were taken a month ago in CT. It really hard.

My problem is there is always SOMETHING that comes up to distract from the issues that face millions of Americans everyday for almost 5 years now. Nothing has been done address it at all!

My heart bleeds for those children and teachers that tragic day we will never forget, and I am a strong advocate for tighter gun control laws. Let the President delegate that issue, I'm sure Joe Biden will handle it well. Forget about immigration for now, that's another issue that has been an ongoing problem for years, but the lack of jobs, and decent paying, full time jobs is the immediate crisis in this country. The lines for food stamps, Medicaid, room at the local homeless shelter are getting longer. All I want is our President to recognize this!

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Post by John Simmons on Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:19 pm

I agree with the notion that job growth should be the focus of Obama's second term, not gun regulation. Modest gun regulation should be implemented, but now is not the time. People are hurting throughout this country, and limited the capacity of magazines isn't going to fix that.

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Post by MarilynL on Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:23 pm

I, too, believe in stricter gun laws...probably more so than a lot of others...I don't believe anyone should have a right to arms except for those who hunt...when it's not hunting season, keep the gun under lock an key; for those who like to shoot for sport at some local gun club, wonderful, but leave the gun there when you leave. You can have stricter laws that will prohibit those with criminal background, or those who have a mental illness, but that isn't going to stop those same people to gain access to a gun if they are living in a home where other family members were approved because they didn't fall under those categories...as it happened in Ct. The mother was not mentally ill, yet that's where the shooter got his gun.

I also agree that the Gun laws have taken precedence over the unemployed, but I also believe the president could be getting pressure from many...I don't think he is alone in this, that he alone is the one that is treating this subject with top priority. We don't see what he deals with inside Washington...only what the media wants to show us, or only what Washington wants to tell us.

I also believe that any promise a president makes, or plans that he would like to bring forth, is never full proof that it's going to happen...because in the end it's the majority of Congress that's going to win in the end. I am sure Obama recognizes the problem of the unemployed, if he didn't recognize it, he would've never let that subject be in his platform. I just don't think we realize the power of Congress, especially those in Congress who hate him to begin with, and what presidents are up against.

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Post by stillnutty on Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:51 pm

I assure you I know all about the power of Congress, and the obstructionist Repugs. But on the campaign trail, he hammered over and over each day the need to create jobs. I am only asking him to continue to do this during his second term. If we don t have his voice, we have none !!

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Post by unem0413 on Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:49 am

Gun Control is not the answer
The Human Side of Gun Control

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Post by Hunterforjobs on Tue Jan 15, 2013 12:13 pm

stillnutty wrote:I assure you I know all about the power of Congress, and the obstructionist Repugs. But on the campaign trail, he hammered over and over each day the need to create jobs. I am only asking him to continue to do this during his second term. If we don t have his voice, we have none !!

A president has no power in job creation, he can get the economy rolling so employers feel confident to hire but he cannot wave a magic wand and poof there are jobs.


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Post by DesperateInRI on Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:01 pm

Hunterforjobs wrote:
stillnutty wrote:I assure you I know all about the power of Congress, and the obstructionist Repugs. But on the campaign trail, he hammered over and over each day the need to create jobs. I am only asking him to continue to do this during his second term. If we don t have his voice, we have none !!

A president has no power in job creation, he can get the economy rolling so employers feel confident to hire but he cannot wave a magic wand and poof there are jobs.

You are right, he has no power. He didn't have the power to enact healthcare reform either, but he kept it priority and didn't give up till it was passed. The same thing can be done for job creation. Don't get me wrong, I am glad Obama is our president, I voted for him in both elections. He just needs to step up now and address the number one crisis in our country right now, LACK OF DECENT JOBS, and stay on it until Congress moves on it!

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Post by Hunterforjobs on Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:58 pm

And then there is Boehner and the republican party who works against him.

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Post by unem0413 on Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:19 pm

Good thoughts --

JOB ONE (as mandated by our laws) is not job creation. It is not arbitrary.

The presidents JOB one is always
To support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

I want a job too. Someone said it earlier though and they are right, the president does not create jobs.

Just curious, does everyone vote? I've talked with people who tell me that they don't vote. Please reconsider if you have not been voting as this is the only legal way to change our laws.

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Post by DesperateInRI on Wed Jan 16, 2013 10:32 am

Hunterforjobs wrote:And then there is Boehner and the republican party who works against him.
He needs to stand up to them like he did a few weeks ago in the fiscal cliff negotiations. He had Boehner in tears and the whole republican party looking like fools. We are in for Round 2 of this discussion, probably when they come back from the break for Martin Luther King day. We'll be pushed to the side again when that happens because that is going to get nasty. President Obama, and his caucus , need to stand firm and stick to their promises!

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Post by unem0413 on Wed Jan 16, 2013 10:37 am

Did you ever consider that?

There is a vested interest by both parties to see us polarized?
That the children of both parties attend the same prep schools?
That they belong to the same country clubs?
That both parties make promises and don't keep them?

Try to look beyond the obvious. WE the people create jobs, not the government. WE have to start businesses and HIRE people.

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Post by DesperateInRI on Wed Jan 16, 2013 10:42 am

One suggestion to the government to create jobs, and specifically hire the long term unemployed is tax incentives! That was in place at the beginning of the so-called "recession", but it expired in 2011. Putting the LTU back to work will create more consumers, creating more demand for supply, creating more jobs!!!!!!!!

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Post by unem0413 on Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:30 am

DesperateInRI

I agree regarding the tax incentives.

Remember that Senate democrats refused to allow GOP-sponsored amendments on extending the Bush individual income tax cuts. Back in 2012 the argument was that Republicans wanted to extend tax cuts for everyone, but Democrats wanted to only target those below $250k.

Many small businesses would have been hurt because of their filing status because they "earn" over $250k, so this had the effect of unintended consequences.

A small business owner would then not be able to grow their business, including hiring more people etc.

Basically, our government (collectively) on both sides talks a good game, but there is massive overspending.

I would like to see the laws changed to make it more attractive for large corporations to repatriate income they have earned outside of the USA back to here. Presently I think the big corporations don't bring all their income back because they pay massive corporate tax if they do so, so why not keep it in Malaysia, China, etc? What is their incentive to bring it back? You hardly see this discussed on the evening news (no big surprise) they are too busy chasing after the "fight" of the day.

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