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Post by Guest on Tue Sep 13, 2011 10:03 am

A bit of a startling moment happened near the end of Monday night's CNN debate when a hypothetical question was posed to Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas).

What do you tell a guy who is sick, goes into a coma and doesn't have health insurance? Who pays for his coverage? "Are you saying society should just let him die?" Wolf Blitzer asked.

"Yeah!" several members of the crowd yelled out.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/12/tea-party-debate-health-care_n_959354.html

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Re: GOP Tea Party Debate: Audience Cheers, Says Society Should Let Uninsured Patient Die

Post by stillnutty on Tue Sep 13, 2011 10:42 am

I wish this question had been phrased, a 50 plus year old man/women who has been unemployed over 2 1/2 years has no insurance. He/she is ill and slips into a coma. Should he,she be treated or left to die. Of course I think THEY have already showed what their answer would be! MAD

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Re: GOP Tea Party Debate: Audience Cheers, Says Society Should Let Uninsured Patient Die

Post by TOO OLD TO HIRE IN PA on Tue Sep 13, 2011 10:43 am

This is what our great country has become. More loonies out there than compassionate people. I wonder what those azzholes would say if it was a relative of theirs who was sick and did not have insurance.

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Re: GOP Tea Party Debate: Audience Cheers, Says Society Should Let Uninsured Patient Die

Post by ricky on Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:01 pm

It is a very good question....when is enough is enough? if the person was 90 then what is the answer? How many people revive from a coma and are able to be taxpayers again?

End of life issues are really hard to discuss.....like signing over the house while your parents are well, and wait out the 5 years before they can apply for mediciad. Most families talk about this when its too late. And the hospital/govenrment, creditors take your "inheritance"
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Should he,she be treated or left to die

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Re: GOP Tea Party Debate: Audience Cheers, Says Society Should Let Uninsured Patient Die

Post by Guest on Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:32 pm

ricky wrote:It is a very good question....when is enough is enough? if the person was 90 then what is the answer? How many people revive from a coma and are able to be taxpayers again?

End of life issues are really hard to discuss.....like signing over the house while your parents are well, and wait out the 5 years before they can apply for mediciad. Most families talk about this when its too late. And the hospital/govenrment, creditors take your "inheritance"
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Should he,she be treated or left to die

It is an ethical question and not one that should be answered based on whether or not there is health insurance coverage, or what the person's worth is to society.

The ignorant individuals in the audience just proved what the Tea Party's agenda is (which is the point of this thread - not an end of life debate).

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Post by TOO OLD TO HIRE IN PA on Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:42 pm

ricky wrote:It is a very good question....when is enough is enough? if the person was 90 then what is the answer? How many people revive from a coma and are able to be taxpayers again?

End of life issues are really hard to discuss.....like signing over the house while your parents are well, and wait out the 5 years before they can apply for mediciad. Most families talk about this when its too late. And the hospital/govenrment, creditors take your "inheritance"
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Should he,she be treated or left to die

I can only say that I am thankful my parents decided to sign over their savings years ago, as I was an only child and my parents did not have alot of money. It is very important for families to discuss this. However, my Dad as a child of the Depression, worked very hard for 45 years; and he was not going to let a nursing home take his money. I was proud to be their caregiver for 10 years and able to let them live out their lives in their own home. I am crying now thinking that they are looking down on me and my husband and feeling devastated at what we are dealing with. I can only look for strength from them to get us through this.

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Re: GOP Tea Party Debate: Audience Cheers, Says Society Should Let Uninsured Patient Die

Post by exhaustedandtired/1208 on Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:44 pm

funny, but both dems. and repubs. agree on this one!

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Re: GOP Tea Party Debate: Audience Cheers, Says Society Should Let Uninsured Patient Die

Post by mistermunster on Tue Sep 13, 2011 3:20 pm

America has become a BLeep hole when people like this have been allowed to thrive and multiply. Selfish, Greedy, Self centered and lack any compassion or charity.

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Re: GOP Tea Party Debate: Audience Cheers, Says Society Should Let Uninsured Patient Die

Post by Guest on Tue Sep 13, 2011 4:43 pm

I was listening on the radio, so the audience voices were more amplified than they would be on tv. Disgusting. But that is the mentality of who follows these people.

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Post by gettheminNOVEMBER on Tue Sep 13, 2011 4:55 pm

exhaustedandtired/1208 wrote:funny, but both dems. and repubs. agree on this one!

scratch What?

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Re: GOP Tea Party Debate: Audience Cheers, Says Society Should Let Uninsured Patient Die

Post by lendmeflight2 on Tue Sep 13, 2011 5:04 pm

This is the point that I have been making the whole time.

It is immoral for anyone to cheer and celebrate someone else dying. I didn't even celebrate when Bin Laden was killed. I think it is wrong and immoral to celebrate the death of another human being. No matter who they were or what they did.

I cannot believe that the majority of the people in my country would support this.

Of course, we should be more concerned with personal responsibility but we cannot be so morally devoid, so soulless that we can't feel anything anymore.

Our society has turned us into machines. Our computers think more than we do now. We just perform a function. We consume and gather and hoard more and more and more. The more people die the less competition we have for our hoarding.


We are a morally bankrupt people and I am not sure how much longer I can continue being among it.

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Re: GOP Tea Party Debate: Audience Cheers, Says Society Should Let Uninsured Patient Die

Post by ricky on Tue Sep 13, 2011 5:57 pm

Actually we are as Americans the most generous and probably the most compassionate people on Earth......but thinking people realize that continually paying people for bad behavior is incredibly wasteful.

And that includes people who "bought" a house took out equity lived it up Suv's disney and the fake chest for the wife..and now we all are stuck with the consequences.....

Everybody screams accountabilty, yet when people demand it, you all get bent out of shape. What gives?

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It is an ethical question and not one that should be answered based on whether or not there is health insurance coverage, or what the person's worth is to society.


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Re: GOP Tea Party Debate: Audience Cheers, Says Society Should Let Uninsured Patient Die

Post by gettheminNOVEMBER on Tue Sep 13, 2011 6:12 pm

ricky wrote:Actually we are as Americans the most generous and probably the most compassionate people on Earth......but thinking people realize that continually paying people for bad behavior is incredibly wasteful.

And that includes people who "bought" a house took out equity lived it up Suv's disney and the fake chest for the wife..and now we all are stuck with the consequences.....

Everybody screams accountabilty, yet when people demand it, you all get bent out of shape. What gives?

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Selfish, Greedy, Self centered and lack any compassion or charity.


It is an ethical question and not one that should be answered based on whether or not there is health insurance coverage, or what the person's worth is to society.

No mention of the Banks and Wall Street or the waste of spending on Bush tax cuts scratch

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Re: GOP Tea Party Debate: Audience Cheers, Says Society Should Let Uninsured Patient Die

Post by Guest on Tue Sep 13, 2011 7:11 pm

Personal responsibility has nothing to do with ignorance. Cheering for letting someone die, which Dr's are under oath not to do, is not something anyone should be proud of. I agree, many people besides banks did foolish things they couldn't afford, but cheering for the death of an uninsured man puts us on the level of some of the monsters that have recently been tossed out on their rear ends in other countries.

Note: From all coverage I have seen, these "cheerleaders" are not many, these rallies for the Tea Party and these caucus' are not attended by thousands, but by hundreds. I think if you put this out to the public, they would denounce that behavior.

Personal responsibility does not equal inhuman treatment of people. I am just thankful that no one in that audience needed medical treatment while they were in that crowd.

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Post by lendmeflight2 on Tue Sep 13, 2011 7:21 pm

ricky wrote:Actually we are as Americans the most generous and probably the most compassionate people on Earth......but thinking people realize that continually paying people for bad behavior is incredibly wasteful.

And that includes people who "bought" a house took out equity lived it up Suv's disney and the fake chest for the wife..and now we all are stuck with the consequences.....

Everybody screams accountabilty, yet when people demand it, you all get bent out of shape. What gives?

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It is an ethical question and not one that should be answered based on whether or not there is health insurance coverage, or what the person's worth is to society.


We could argue whether we are the most generous people or not all day. That isn't my point.

My point is to cheer another human being dying of a disease because he has no insurance or because he was in a tragic car accident is morally bankrupt.



In America we LOOOVVVEE punishment. We love it when people get punished for doing something.

This is one of the major problems with why we cannot maintain leadership in the world. This is why we are behind every western nation on the planet.

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Re: GOP Tea Party Debate: Audience Cheers, Says Society Should Let Uninsured Patient Die

Post by tristen303 on Tue Sep 13, 2011 8:02 pm

Personal responsibility is a separate issue and speaking as a conservative I do not want government dictating responsibility or punishment for behavior outside of legal norms. Also as a conservative government should not be choosing who’s healthy and who’s not or deserving of services or undeserving of said services (aren’t these the very thing the Tea Party was angry about….death panels) these are Americans and although I do not agree that by birth you are owed anything I do believe we are on the same team and as such need healthy team.
Your angle gives government too much control over the population they don’t like and in my right leaning world that use to be what we were against.

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Post by mistermunster on Tue Sep 13, 2011 8:07 pm

gettheminNOVEMBER wrote:
ricky wrote:Actually we are as Americans the most generous and probably the most compassionate people on Earth......but thinking people realize that continually paying people for bad behavior is incredibly wasteful.

And that includes people who "bought" a house took out equity lived it up Suv's disney and the fake chest for the wife..and now we all are stuck with the consequences.....

Everybody screams accountabilty, yet when people demand it, you all get bent out of shape. What gives?

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Selfish, Greedy, Self centered and lack any compassion or charity.


It is an ethical question and not one that should be answered based on whether or not there is health insurance coverage, or what the person's worth is to society.

No mention of the Banks and Wall Street or the waste of spending on Bush tax cuts scratch


Do I smell something?????AGAIN Wink Yes, OUR CONSUMER DRIVEN Economy is the peoples fault FOR buying at the BEHEST of our Government, Corporations and yes BANKS!!!! It was ALL GOOD and fine until ONE SIDE got TOO GREEDY and basically broke the machine and NOW expects us to PAY the bill to fix it at the expense of our very existence. Yeah...capitalism is a good thing as long as you HAVE money and NOT when you don't and that our fault too.

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Post by gettheminNOVEMBER on Tue Sep 13, 2011 8:15 pm

Just think if you had a child that got hurt and you were not around. I know I would want someone to help until I could pay for it. I would sell everything I had, get a loan whatever it takes. This Ayn Rand attitude is BULLSHITE! Look of Ron Paul, he named his kid Rand I believe after Ayn Rand. Who by the way died on Government assistance.

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Re: GOP Tea Party Debate: Audience Cheers, Says Society Should Let Uninsured Patient Die

Post by ricky on Tue Sep 13, 2011 8:17 pm

well Yes it is....its called self control.....people bought because someone told them they could afford it.

Yet a little time with this thingy called a computer would have told them....somthing is very wrong with creative financing of a home. So should I feel sorry for these losers when i have to scrimp and save to pay my rent on time..

And why are we so scared of affordable housing anyway....let it fall 30-50% more so people spend a lot less on housing and more for fun enjoyable things.

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Post by lendmeflight2 on Tue Sep 13, 2011 8:26 pm

Ricky on this issue I totally agree with what I think you are saying.

The housing collapse h0%as a reputation as being caused by "minorities" being given loans they couldn't afford. In reality these people paid back at a much higher rate than anyone else because they actually lived in their homes.

Well, over 50% of foreclosed houses were second homes. This problem was caused by housing speculators and they ended up losing.

I was working in the home improvement industry at the time and I saw it happen everyday. Some 22 year old kid would come in to buy stuff to fix up a house because he "flipping it" to make a profit. He had good credit and he could get all the loans he wants so he bought several houses.

Then the market collapses. He still has the house he lives in but instead of continuing to pay on multple mortgages on house that are worth half what he paid for them he just decides to let the bank foreclose.

He still makes the payments on the house he lives in and lets that rebuild his credit. He figures he can afford to take a hit.


Now, on a different subject, when you come around here and ask us why we are not all on welfare you are gonna buy yourself a big fight. I would watch how I phrase things if I were you.

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Post by JoanB on Tue Sep 13, 2011 8:41 pm

I'd also like to add that minorites were disproportionately steered toward adjustable rate mortgages, even when they qualified for loans with more favorable terms. Just in case anyone still thinks it was the, you know, <whisper>black people</whisper> who caused this.

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Post by mistermunster on Tue Sep 13, 2011 9:04 pm

JoanB wrote:I'd also like to add that minorites were disproportionately steered toward adjustable rate , even when they qualified for loans with more favorable terms. Just in case anyone still thinks it was the, you know, <whisper>black people</whisper> who caused this.


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Post by JoanB on Tue Sep 13, 2011 9:18 pm

(pssssst, mister, we're on the same side)

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Post by mistermunster on Tue Sep 13, 2011 9:21 pm

JoanB wrote:(pssssst, mister, we're on the same side)

DOH!!! put the response in the wrong comment. Messa so sorry, got to RANTING Embarassed

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Post by mistermunster on Tue Sep 13, 2011 9:29 pm

Sorry, this nation has been PROGRAMMED to get that GOLD ring any which way. Now IF the MONEY mongers DIDN'T push it. Then things would be different. It's been YES you CAN HAVE IT.....Sure NO PROBLEM.....LIVE YOUR "American" DREAM.....SIGN HERE. Because the SELLERS are driven BY PROFIT by ANY means. SO who is WRONG in All this? The Snake Oil Salesman who peddled poison with a lie or the buyer who died drinking it. Well the issue is WE should have been PROTECTED from this by inforced regulations but that TOO failed. Yet the party that SOLD us this let the "FREE"market do as they please just don't get it...Oh wait....PROFIT....PROFIT...PROFIT....It's ALL about MONEY and HOW they can LIE, CHEAT and STEAL it from you by ANY means necessary. This is the problem of this nation. MONEY trumps EVERYTHING else. All the good intentions be damned. MONEY wins. This is where we are at now. We ALL need money to LIVE but 20% of the population that CONTROLS it....DICTATES when you can have it, How MUCH you get or IF you get it at ALL. Or worst yet...HAVING the ability to make it. I don't buy into this YOU too can succeed. Maybe before but not now. They hold ALL the cards now and we are yelling at the wind. They fleeced us with the having the DREAM too BS now we get blamed for wanting it. It's ALL about money and HOW to get it. And than now too is a flawed system.

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