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Post by Guest on Mon Sep 05, 2011 7:41 am

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DeMint, Tea Party favorite, told CNN’s Candy Crowley he has talked with businesses in South Carolina who have told him people would rather stay on their unemployment and food stamps than take a job. Anyone know what the average monthly payout for food stamps is? MSNBC reported in June 2010 the average payout per household was $275. In June 2009 the average was $133 per person. There is a record 45 million Americans on food stamps (aka SNAP) right now — 14 million Americans are unemployed. The Federal Housing Finance Agency lawsuit alone against Bank of America focuses on $58 billion in residential mortgage-backed securities. That might give you an idea of how much the predatory lenders “gaming of the system” cost the U.S. But what did Sen. DeMint put focus on?
http://www.crewof42.com/cbc/jim-demint-jobless-gaming-the-system-im-told-theyd-rather-be-on-food-stamps/

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Post by exhaustedandtired/1208 on Tue Sep 06, 2011 9:45 am

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exhaustedandtired/1208 wrote:Obama is fixated on rails, roads and bridges! It has never wprked to stimulate the economy and never will! Sorry, but it ain't going to work.Hope all you unemployed can find a job working on rail, roads or bridges! it will also be interesting what if anything he says about unemployed especially 99er's! know in two days!

Actually it DID under Eisenhower, a Republican who THESE days would be called a liberal, progressive, socialist. TODAY's Republicans have MORE in common with Nazi Germany. As FOR TODAY all this infrastructure talk is CRAP. It CAN'T work for MOST of the people who are UNEMPLOYED and OVER 40. It's TOO physical labor INTENSIVE for lots of people in this mess. If you are in your twenties or early 30's and in GREAT shape, good for you but lots of us have physical issues that would disqualify us from WORKING 40 hrs a week out in the hot sun. It's NOT as easy to just SAY pick up a shovel and START digging or climb up on that bridge and start riveting. Many people have come from the sit at a desk office environment and NOW they just expect at a snap of their fingers your GOING to start laying ASPHALT? I DON'T THINK SO. O'Blowme is going to talk SMACK this week with his jobs plan, both sides will start pointing fingers at each other...PROBLEM continues. Can you SEE a geriatric CHAIN gang working out there on the side of the ROAD? affraid infrastructure jobs will work from SOME but not ALL but they make it sound like it will save us all.. the jobs problem is FAR deeper than ROADS and Construction gigs.



Bravo Mm! I agree!

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Re: Jim DeMint: Jobless “Gaming the System,” I Hear Jobless Want to Remain on Food Stamps

Post by exhaustedandtired/1208 on Tue Sep 06, 2011 9:58 am

Sick & Tired wrote:1208...It does stimulate the economy. All the people that will be back to work from this will be contributing to taxes, spending money at the surrounding businesses etc, and will restore consumer confidence. How will it not be good for America?? We are seriously behind on infrastructure. The reason he is fixated on it is because it will jump start the economy and get millions back to work rather quickly. Its the quickest way to get that many people back to work. Isn't a few million back to work better than none? My husband is one of those construction workers that would benefit from this. Would you begrudge others a job because you dont stand to benefit from it? we need to start somewhere.

I really think he's setting up for executive order.


Sorry but IT won't work for the long haul! You prove my point! Your husband which is in construction will benefit and thats great for you! And as you are saying the majority will not benefit from it. As I say it will benefit as the last big stimulus did to target some. Construction workers either already have jobs and it will put some back to work temporary! Then as I said when the money runs out hello!!!! there goes those jobs! Infrastructure does not ignite other jobs, BUT fixing the economy DOES!!! I worked in construction related equipment sales since 1988. I also know construction companies currently in existance will hire a few but watch and see that as projects open up 99% of those jobs are bid upon and companies that already have workers now will hire a few but bid the jobs cheap and they will do those jobs with minimal staff to reap the profits. I'v seen it. It ain't going to happen! I am not saying it won't have a litttle good effect and I know many desperate will be hopeful and I am with them BUT it ain't going toput the other millions back to work! There again its a time will tell and I hope for the best but I don't think its the fix or answer. But it is better than nothing! [Along with more extensions for unemployed and 99er's then maybe collectively something may work! I believe that putting money in infrastructure along with infusing money for the unemployed at the same time may stimulate together]. But by itself it will not work! As I say again, IF unemployment extensions including 99er's is passed along with stimulus for infrastructure, then it mAY work at least for the short term. Ok, then Obama could have bragging rights. time will tell, IF repubs. dare to pass it!

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Post by lendmeflight2 on Tue Sep 06, 2011 11:51 am

But what about all the money that these newly put back to work construction workers will make?

Don't you think they will spend that money on food and clothing and home renovation? Then the money they spend will be spent again by the companies that supply food and clothes?


This is basically how stimulating the economy works.

It would work even better if all the money was spent by the government and not given to hundreds or thousands of middle men that will lessen the impact.
It worked in the 1930's. Why wouldn't it work now?


From the way you talk, you make it sound impossible to grow an economy. How do you think we should fix the problem we are in?


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Re: Jim DeMint: Jobless “Gaming the System,” I Hear Jobless Want to Remain on Food Stamps

Post by exhaustedandtired/1208 on Tue Sep 06, 2011 12:06 pm

do you think any worker that has been out of work and finally gets a job that is temporary at best will go out and splurge all they have made in a very uncertain economy or will they save knowing there will be dark days again?? No one is going to have confidence in this economy until they see growth over months and hiring that gains confidence. right now consumer confidence and workers confidence is at an all time low! So in short, they'll save and conserve..
I believe I said it! The one way it MAY work is to do the stimulus on infrastructure and also get money in the hands of unemployed including 99er's and together it may spurn spending! BUT since we are in a election period soon, politics wil be played at the max. and neither side truly gives a crap abpout the unemployed. Thats why I say wait until Obama's speech and see if he hints anything for 99er's. I am betting we will hear nothing. If he says anything at all about unemployed and extensions he will refer to those on their 26 weeks and those who are out unless the tiers are renewed! We'll see. But IMO!!

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Post by lendmeflight2 on Tue Sep 06, 2011 1:14 pm

But those jobs wouldn't be temporary. The increased spending will create other jobs. It is really too late to do this though. There are too many people, like me, with no income at all. They need to get money back in the hands of the people who's benefits are exhausted but I don't really think this will happen either.


It will have to be big. 14 weeks is not enough. If I were given 14 more weeks tomorrow I would save every penny I could and not spend it because my prospects of getting a job in that amount of time are not very good.

At this point, I don't think the extra 14 weeks are a good idea. It seems like a waste of money for very little end benefit to people.

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Re: Jim DeMint: Jobless “Gaming the System,” I Hear Jobless Want to Remain on Food Stamps

Post by freds on Tue Sep 06, 2011 4:19 pm

Its a game same problem selection in hearing, when layoff happened I had perfect credit score 850 and cash, 4 years 8 months no job later the worst credit ever below 300, now to rent an apartment its a $400 preminum above the rate and buying a car is 23 percent interest, so its impossible to have housing and transportation on $10 an hour.
not our fault just people interviewing think otherwise sure you can, HOW?

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Re: Jim DeMint: Jobless “Gaming the System,” I Hear Jobless Want to Remain on Food Stamps

Post by americatheneedy on Tue Sep 06, 2011 7:54 pm

I'm so sick of politicians taking the example of one creep who might just be a lazy pos and somehow believing that he represents all people who are on food stamps etc. Well wait-that only works with politicians, maybe that's where they get the idea.

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Post by JoanB on Tue Sep 06, 2011 8:13 pm

Do you guys really believe that if you build roads and bridges, the only people you put to work are those with hardhats and shovels? Really? Have you ever heard of engineers? Draftspeople? Accountants? Logistics specialists? Clerical? IT support? What about all of the peripheral stuff that they would need, like materials, equipment, etc.? Do you suppose that people work in different capacities for the companies that would supply all of that? How about the transportation companies that would deliver the stuff?

C'mon, you're smarter than that.

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Post by mistermunster on Tue Sep 06, 2011 8:21 pm

JoanB wrote:Do you guys really believe that if you build roads and bridges, the only people you put to work are those with hardhats and shovels? Really? Have you ever heard of engineers? Draftspeople? Accountants? Logistics specialists? Clerical? IT support? What about all of the peripheral stuff that they would need, like materials, equipment, etc.? Do you suppose that people work in different capacities for the companies that would supply all of that? How about the transportation companies that would deliver the stuff?

C'mon, you're smarter than that.

It's still NOT enough and WILL NOT solve the problems of ALL the unemployed. This is nothing more than another band-aid fix even if it gets implemented. They MUST address the REAL root causes of unemployment to really solve anything. They must implement it in 3 stages like FDR did. Not this chatter of we will try this willy nilly. I want to see a REAL plan and the will to MOVE it forward. Talk is CHEAP and these goons in DC have been TALKING far TOO LONG with NO results.

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Post by JoanB on Tue Sep 06, 2011 10:53 pm

Well, I can't claim that I'm aware of FDR's three stages. but I do agree that whatever needs to be done must be really really big. But to fix the root cause, now that's another problem entirely. Now you're talking about telling the big boys that they can't use cheap labor over there, then sell it tariff-free here. I don't know if anyone's gonna stand up for that.

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Post by mistermunster on Tue Sep 06, 2011 11:48 pm

JoanB wrote:Well, I can't claim that I'm aware of FDR's three stages. but I do agree that whatever needs to be done must be really really big. But to fix the root cause, now that's another problem entirely. Now you're talking about telling the big boys that they can't use cheap labor over there, then sell it tariff-free here. I don't know if anyone's gonna stand up for that.

FDR's 3 stages was RELIEF. RECOVERY and REFORM. The BABOONS in DC now CAN'T even get BEYOND or even decide what RELIEF is at this point. And many need RELIEF still yet MANY morons think WE had a RECOVERY a year ago.

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Re: Jim DeMint: Jobless “Gaming the System,” I Hear Jobless Want to Remain on Food Stamps

Post by mistermunster on Tue Sep 06, 2011 11:54 pm

JoanB wrote:Now you're talking about telling the big boys that they can't use cheap labor over there, then sell it tariff-free here. I don't know if anyone's gonna stand up for that.

Only bullets in their heads will make that possible. So who's going to take the first shot???? That's the BIG question. They need to FEAR the people/workers. Right now they DON'T until they are FORCED to. Mad Mad Mad Until then we remain SLAVES to their indifference and their continued amassing of wealth. The FEW controlling and manipulating the MANY is NOT an equatable system anymore.

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Post by TOO OLD TO HIRE IN PA on Wed Sep 07, 2011 12:26 pm

JoanB wrote:Do you guys really believe that if you build roads and bridges, the only people you put to work are those with hardhats and shovels? Really? Have you ever heard of engineers? Draftspeople? Accountants? Logistics specialists? Clerical? IT support? What about all of the peripheral stuff that they would need, like materials, equipment, etc.? Do you suppose that people work in different capacities for the companies that would supply all of that? How about the transportation companies that would deliver the stuff?

C'mon, you're smarter than that.

Joan, I do agree with you that many jobs will be created from the offshoot of the jobs that are being proposed. The one sticking point in all of this is they are not addressing the discrimination problems of the older workers. Sure they will hire clerical, IT, etc., but at this point I am convinced that they will still go with younger workers. I have posted about this so many times, but I have not seen one word mentioned in the media about how they are going to fix it. Just having discrimination laws will not do a damn thing. Corporate America needs to use those huge profits to hire people at decent wages instead of $8.00 an hour. The next person I hear making over $25.00 an hour who tells me my husband should take an $8.00 an hour non-existent job will not get a respectful answer anymore. I have had it!

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Post by lendmeflight2 on Wed Sep 07, 2011 5:01 pm

You are right but I don't know what the solution to that is. If people don't want to hire an unemployed person they will find a reason other than the true one. Discrimination laws are hard to enforce.

At least this would do something. However, a one year plan won't work. It needs to be a sustained effort over several years.

Half measures won't do it.

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Post by WilliamsonAngel on Wed Sep 07, 2011 7:12 pm

TOO OLD TO HIRE IN PA wrote:The next person I hear making over $25.00 an hour who tells me my husband should take an $8.00 an hour non-existent job will not get a respectful answer anymore. I have had it!

Doctor WA prescribes one boot to the head for the jerk.

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Post by JoanB on Wed Sep 07, 2011 8:17 pm

Too Old, I'm with you...I'm 56 and it's a miracle that I have this contract job for now. But the fewer jobs there are, the more discrimination there is, and the lower the pay for everyone but the ones at the top. Anyway, I was really just saying that infrastucture jobs can be jobs that lots of different people can do.

Having said that, do I think that the president is going to propose something big enough? Nope. And even if he did, would the Republicans do everything in their power to stop it? Yep. So I guess all of this speculation is kind of pointless.

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Post by exhaustedandtired/1208 on Thu Sep 08, 2011 10:35 am

When millions are out of work and down and out there is NO' NO' excuse for ANY politicion to make such demeaning comments about the unemployed. There are bad apples in every bunch of life, but for a few who abuse the system and box all the unemployed as gamers and bilking the system, he is the same as Libya's dictator or worse maye Almonddingyjad. Maybe he should run for office over there! Problem he can't be confronted on the media to be made to show what an idiot he is! Psses me OFF!

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Post by JoanB on Thu Sep 08, 2011 8:05 pm

Me too 1208.

Hey wait, I'm only 55!

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Post by truth on Thu Sep 08, 2011 9:10 pm

There are people in every walk of life who game the system. Wall Streeters who gamed the system are largely responsible for this Great Recession. Why does Sen. DeMint instead focus on the unemployed? Does he get some kind of perverted pleasure out of kicking people who are already down?

It really makes me hope there is justice and/or karma in this world. If so, Sen. DeMint is going to have a big comeuppance down the road.

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