Obama Jobs Plan Meets Early Resistance From Republicans

by Guest Mon Aug 22, 2011 7:30 am

Following a few dismal weeks on Wall Street and talk of a double-dip recession, President Obama will soon announce a new jobs plan that is expected to include an extension of payroll tax cuts, new revenue for transportation projects and an extension of emergency unemployment benefits for the 9.1 percent of Americans who still can't find a job. Obama's campaign advisor, David Axelrod, said on Sunday that there's nothing in the proposal "that reasonable people shouldn't be able to agree on" -- but many fired-up Republicans are already preparing to reject whatever the president puts on the table.

“This is the seventh or eighth or ninth time we’ve heard the president talk about producing a plan,” Republican strategist Karl Rove said on Fox News Sunday. “And each time that he’s gotten around to tossing an idea out on the table, it has included only more spending, more deficit, more debt and the American people are fed up with it.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/21/republicans-already-balki_n_932453.html

by sbraney Mon Aug 22, 2011 11:37 am

but many fired-up Republicans are already preparing to reject whatever the president puts on the table.

Of course they are, and I partially blame the DINOS, because anyone with even half of their cranial matter functioning could have predicted this onslaught. The VERY first thing that Pelosi should have done was to introduce something, any program besides further unemployment benefits to get people back to work. Maybe the DINOS didn't notice that the corporate owned media isn't really "liberal" as the cons have claimed, but a very effective propaganda pipeline for confusing and dumbing down the public or to publish the rants of grunts like Karl Rove who should be in jail if the DINOS had done their duty and prosecuted him - at least for blowing off how many subpoenas? They would never have lost last year, and the billions could have been used to fund the so-called green energy and infrastructure projects that Obama touted. It's all tragic, because now we're in a situation where the DINOS have done nothing to energize their base - while the cons are working feverishly in the evangelical arenas to get these blanks all fired up to vote in another 8 years of disaster capitalism. Hitler was elected under the same circumstances - welcomed by so-called christians who view voting as their patriotic duty. It's going to get far uglier, but as before the war in Hitler's time, businesses never did better - unless they were liberal leaning or owned by the wrong people.

from Fascism in a Pinstriped Suit - Michael J. Parenti

If fascism came to America, some say, it would be an unbearable nightmare - drastically disrupting the everyday pattern of our lives. And since our lives seem to retain their normal pattern, it follows that fascism has not taken over. In actuality, however, the fascist state, like all states, has no need to make nightmarish intrusions into the trivia of every citizen's life.

The dirty truth is that many people find fascism to be not particularly horrible. Some Iranian businesspeople were asked to describe what life had been like under the Shah's police state. "It was perfect," they responded. Workers and servants could be cheaply procured, profits were high, and we lived very well. To be sure, fascism is not perfect for everyone. Mussolini's Italy and Hitler's Germany inflicted a great deal of intentional hardship upon working people, including the destruction of labor unions, the loss of job benefits, and a shift in national income from the lower and middle classes to the upper class. The number of Germans who lived in poverty and want increased substantially as wages were cut by as much as 40 percent.

Those who equate fascism with the horrors of Auschwitz are correct in their moral condemnation but mistaken in their sense of sequence. Mass liquidation as a "final solution" was not seriously considered and was in fact opposed until Hitler's order came sometime after March 1941, most historians believe. The concentration camp was never the normal condition for the average gentile German. Unless one was Jewish, or poor and unemployed, or actively leftist or otherwise openly anti-Nazi, Germany from 1933 until well into the war was not a nightmarish place. All the "good Germans" had to do was obey the law, pay their taxes, give their sons to the army, avoid any sign of political heterodoxy, and look the other way when unions were busted and troublesome people disappeared.

To insist that fascism does not obtain until every abomination of the Nazi state is replicated and every vestige of constitutional government is obliterated is to overlook, at our peril, the disturbingly antidemocratic, authoritarian manifestations inherent in many states that call themselves democracies.

The Nazi invasion of Poland is fascism in action; the American invasion of Vietnam is a "blunder" or at worst an "immoral application" of power. The indoctrination of children in Nazi Germany into the myths and rituals of the nation-state is seen as characteristic of fascism; but our own grade school indoctrination replete with flag salutes, national anthems, and history books espousing the myths of American superiority is "education for citizenship." Many social arrangements and happenings that would evoke strongly negative sentiments if defined as products of a totalitarian state become by their proximity and cultural familiarity, no cause for alarm when practiced at home.

by tristen303 Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:25 pm

I agree and well said, and let me add I'm sick of my side shooting down air. The man hasn't even proposed a plan and now even his idea to propose is bad lol ah the right. When Obama’s gone I wonder what they’ll whine about then.

by jmainframe Mon Aug 22, 2011 11:01 pm

tristen303 wrote: When Obama’s gone I wonder what they’ll whine about then.

When Obama's gone, they'll simply fight amongst themselves.

by exhaustedandtired/1208 Mon Aug 22, 2011 11:53 pm

tristen303 wrote:I agree and well said, and let me add I'm sick of my side shooting down air. The man hasn't even proposed a plan and now even his idea to propose is bad lol ah the right. When Obama’s gone I wonder what they’ll whine about then.

here here! I agree!

by exhaustedandtired/1208 Mon Aug 22, 2011 11:54 pm

jmainframe wrote:
tristen303 wrote: When Obama’s gone I wonder what they’ll whine about then.

When Obama's gone, they'll simply fight amongst themselves.

he's been gone for three years!

by Guest Tue Aug 23, 2011 9:20 am

exhaustedandtired/1208 wrote:
jmainframe wrote:
tristen303 wrote: When Obama’s gone I wonder what they’ll whine about then.

When Obama's gone, they'll simply fight amongst themselves.

he's been gone for three years!

1208, Watch This!! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3096434/#44182277

by tristen303 Tue Aug 23, 2011 6:33 pm

1208 just to be clear (and I'm a Repub) Bush took more vacation and trips to the ranch by this time in his Presidency then Obama (I believe like 3 trips for Bush to every one of Obama's). It is not his fault, I actually feel sorry for the guy. Now is he a strong leader…. no he’s not but considering his background I’m surprised anybody thought he would be. He has no executive experience in anything so thinking that he would be able to solve the previous administration’s problems is just stupid.

by gettheminNOVEMBER Tue Aug 23, 2011 7:32 pm

tristen303 wrote:1208 just to be clear (and I'm a Repub) Bush took more vacation and trips to the ranch by this time in his Presidency then Obama (I believe like 3 trips for Bush to every one of Obama's). It is not his fault, I actually feel sorry for the guy. Now is he a strong leader…. no he’s not but considering his background I’m surprised anybody thought he would be. He has no executive experience in anything so thinking that he would be able to solve the previous administration’s problems is just stupid.

tristen303 wrote:
I agree and well said, and let me add I'm sick of my side shooting down air.

As a former repub and now a Democrat. I find it a bit odd you think you are smarter than me at the same time realize your party will do all they can NOT to create JOBS during a jobs crisis but would still vote for them. Your logic spock alien

just does not add up?????? Live long and prosper. Peace

by mistermunster Tue Aug 23, 2011 8:36 pm

Mussolini's Italy and Hitler's Germany inflicted a great deal of intentional hardship upon working people, including the destruction of labor unions, the loss of job benefits, and a shift in national income from the lower and middle classes to the upper class. The number of Germans who lived in poverty and want increased substantially as wages were cut by as much as 40 percent.

Sounds like HISTORY is repeating itself. affraid

by tristen303 Wed Aug 24, 2011 1:16 pm

Getthem you can't possibly buy into that. That's as bad as guys I know that think Obama is a Muslim sleeper agent or better that he is a socialist trying to destroy America. As for the Germany example, the right says the same thing only putting the left in the spot where the Repub is. The truth as what I've heard the reason for the nation’s ills (from conserves’) is far scarier then the BS the left or right comes up with.
My side needs a majority (or at the very least more then what they have) which means that we have to have a much wider base then the top 5% or 1% (or whatever the latest movon.org talking point is). For our businesses to grow we need people that buy stuff (remember following the lefts failed logic were greedy so why steal once when you can get it all the time right lol) and our base isn't big enough, so that means we need some of those "fickle middle classers" and "horrible poor people" to be successful in order to keep our ranks refreshed. Were at a point right now where even the top base cannot support the bottoms need for money. The only thing that's changed with my side is the following: were fine on helping people that have a clue but were done helping the clueless that just can't get it right or are to stupid to even try.

by mistermunster Wed Aug 24, 2011 4:39 pm

tristen303 wrote:The only thing that's changed with my side is the following: were fine on helping people that have a clue but were done helping the clueless that just can't get it right or are to stupid to even try.

And thats the PROBLEM with the RIGHT. Their "SURVIVAL of the fittest" mentality. You DO, you live and if you DON'T you "DESERVE" to die, not OUR problem. And they based this on WHO has the MOST money and success. Forget the WHOLE "Your Brothers keeper" thing. Maybe the right NEEDS to LOOK at WHY THE so called "Clueless" is by their definition clueless or TOO stupid to get it right. The REAL definition of "Clueless" by the right really means "LAZY". If we HADN'T built this society into a SLAVE mentality that one MUST have a job working for ANOTHER rather that working for themselves to BE successful matbe things would be different. Also this stems from their stereotype VISION that "WELFARE and ENTITLEMENTS" are a sole drain BY inner city minorities. Cut them OFF and then they die and problem solved. This nation ISN'T great as long as this mentality persists and is DOOMED to fail. This whole ALL MEN are created equal IS bunk. Not true, Some can run faster but that doesn't mean that the faster is superior or better. But this nation has brainwashed us into thinking "We love WINNERS but won't tolerate a LOSER" and ostracize the loser into believing in that failure. "Each according to their gifts," Everybody has the ability to CONTRIBUTE if given the proper education and opportunity without being CONDEMNED. The right WILL NOT allow or even ACCEPT this as they are currently enjoying the spectacle of us trying to survive in the gladiatorial arena without weapons to defend ourselves. With them it's thumbs up or thumbs down. And they won't tolerate to what they perceive as a loser. We LOVE to say WE hate bullies but WE are the biggest bully on the planet. Going around bulling others under the GUISE of "Protector" OR "Defender" to obtain our political or corporate interests. And at that SAME time our very nation BULLIES it's own people during this economic mess they created with a "SURVIVAL" of the fittest point of view. Absolutely pathetic. Mad

by sbraney Wed Aug 24, 2011 5:19 pm

It's both parties - we MUST educate ourselves if we are going to be able to stop the global class war. Please look at some of the pdf files on the link below. Americans still don't know what the hell hit them, and the politicians are more than willing to make it worse.

“A new cross-border elite, beyond democracy’s reach, controls the global game board,” said Faux. “And unless we change the rules, working people all over the world will be the losers.” Over the past two decades, both Republican and Democratic leaders have encouraged trade deficits, off-shoring of jobs and technology, energy dependence and the unsustainable piling up of foreign debt – all of which is inevitably leading to a dramatic decline in the living standards of the average American.

Why is America’s governing class so indifferent to the fate of her people? Faux argues that now that they can find workers and investment opportunities elsewhere, the rich and powerful are abandoning the social contract that until recently had united the economic interests of all Americans.

Faux explains how globalization is creating a new global political elite – “The Party of Davos” – who have more in common with each other than with their fellow citizens. Their so-called trade agreements (like NAFTA) and the World Trade Organization act as a global constitution that protects only one kind of citizen–the corporate investor. Not surprisingly, NAFTA, for example, made the distribution of wealth and power more unequal in all three North American countries.

http://www.epi.org/publications/entry/books_global_class_war/

by gettheminNOVEMBER Wed Aug 24, 2011 7:14 pm

tristen303 wrote:Getthem you can't possibly buy into that. That's as bad as guys I know that think Obama is a Muslim sleeper agent or better that he is a socialist trying to destroy America. As for the Germany example, the right says the same thing only putting the left in the spot where the Repub is. The truth as what I've heard the reason for the nation’s ills (from conserves’) is far scarier then the BS the left or right comes up with.
My side needs a majority (or at the very least more then what they have) which means that we have to have a much wider base then the top 5% or 1% (or whatever the latest movon.org talking point is). For our businesses to grow we need people that buy stuff (remember following the lefts failed logic were greedy so why steal once when you can get it all the time right lol) and our base isn't big enough, so that means we need some of those "fickle middle classers" and "horrible poor people" to be successful in order to keep our ranks refreshed. Were at a point right now where even the top base cannot support the bottoms need for money. The only thing that's changed with my side is the following: were fine on helping people that have a clue but were done helping the clueless that just can't get it right or are to stupid to even try.

Tristen they don't want jobs sorry but they have done nothing but protect the bush tax cuts and cause a downgrade. I know that was the fault of the tea party but if they wanted jobs, they own the House and could easily bring a bill to the floor. The Dems have 4 sitting there already. Why are they not being talked about? The Dems plan for job was the stim which was not big enough to have an impact to solve the problem. We need long term investing not more tax breaks for he rich. Now the GOP wants to raise taxes on the middle class. Even though they preach do not raise taxes during a recession. What they mean is on the rich.

by ranbrow123 Wed Aug 24, 2011 7:55 pm

mistermunster wrote:And thats the PROBLEM with the RIGHT. Their "SURVIVAL of the fittest" mentality. You DO, you live and if you DON'T you "DESERVE" to die, not OUR problem. And they based this on WHO has the MOST money and success. Forget the WHOLE "Your Brothers keeper" thing. Maybe the right NEEDS to LOOK at WHY THE so called "Clueless" is by their definition clueless or TOO stupid to get it right. The REAL definition of "Clueless" by the right really means "LAZY". If we HADN'T built this society into a SLAVE mentality that one MUST have a job working for ANOTHER rather that working for themselves to BE successful matbe things would be different. Also this stems from their stereotype VISION that "WELFARE and ENTITLEMENTS" are a sole drain BY inner city minorities. Cut them OFF and then they die and problem solved. This nation ISN'T great as long as this mentality persists and is DOOMED to fail. This whole ALL MEN are created equal IS bunk. Not true, Some can run faster but that doesn't mean that the faster is superior or better. But this nation has brainwashed us into thinking "We love WINNERS but won't tolerate a LOSER" and ostracize the loser into believing in that failure. "Each according to their gifts," Everybody has the ability to CONTRIBUTE if given the proper education and opportunity without being CONDEMNED. The right WILL NOT allow or even ACCEPT this as they are currently enjoying the spectacle of us trying to survive in the gladiatorial arena without weapons to defend ourselves. With them it's thumbs up or thumbs down. And they won't tolerate to what they perceive as a loser. We LOVE to say WE hate bullies but WE are the biggest bully on the planet. Going around bulling others under the GUISE of "Protector" OR "Defender" to obtain our political or corporate interests. And at that SAME time our very nation BULLIES it's own people during this economic mess they created with a "SURVIVAL" of the fittest point of view. Absolutely pathetic.

The thing about survival of the fittest is that it is a natural, instinctual thing, and thus doesn't really apply in a civilized society. Survival of the fittest means just that: fittest, best shape. If we truly lived by survival of the fittest, that would mean I could pick some dude who was weaker than me, grab a hammer, bash his head in with it, and take all his possessions. Fortunately, I have no plans to do that because I enjoy living under and abiding by the laws of a civilized society. Survival of the fittest is just another misapplied concept they use to justify their greed.

by mistermunster Wed Aug 24, 2011 8:06 pm

ranbrow123 wrote:
mistermunster wrote:And thats the PROBLEM with the RIGHT. Their "SURVIVAL of the fittest" mentality. You DO, you live and if you DON'T you "DESERVE" to die, not OUR problem. And they based this on WHO has the MOST money and success. Forget the WHOLE "Your Brothers keeper" thing. Maybe the right NEEDS to LOOK at WHY THE so called "Clueless" is by their definition clueless or TOO stupid to get it right. The REAL definition of "Clueless" by the right really means "LAZY". If we HADN'T built this society into a SLAVE mentality that one MUST have a job working for ANOTHER rather that working for themselves to BE successful matbe things would be different. Also this stems from their stereotype VISION that "WELFARE and ENTITLEMENTS" are a sole drain BY inner city minorities. Cut them OFF and then they die and problem solved. This nation ISN'T great as long as this mentality persists and is DOOMED to fail. This whole ALL MEN are created equal IS bunk. Not true, Some can run faster but that doesn't mean that the faster is superior or better. But this nation has brainwashed us into thinking "We love WINNERS but won't tolerate a LOSER" and ostracize the loser into believing in that failure. "Each according to their gifts," Everybody has the ability to CONTRIBUTE if given the proper education and opportunity without being CONDEMNED. The right WILL NOT allow or even ACCEPT this as they are currently enjoying the spectacle of us trying to survive in the gladiatorial arena without weapons to defend ourselves. With them it's thumbs up or thumbs down. And they won't tolerate to what they perceive as a loser. We LOVE to say WE hate bullies but WE are the biggest bully on the planet. Going around bulling others under the GUISE of "Protector" OR "Defender" to obtain our political or corporate interests. And at that SAME time our very nation BULLIES it's own people during this economic mess they created with a "SURVIVAL" of the fittest point of view. Absolutely pathetic.

The thing about survival of the fittest is that it is a natural, instinctual thing, and thus doesn't really apply in a civilized society. Survival of the fittest means just that: fittest, best shape. If we truly lived by survival of the fittest, that would mean I could pick some dude who was weaker than me, grab a hammer, bash his head in with it, and take all his possessions. Fortunately, I have no plans to do that because I enjoy living under and abiding by the laws of a civilized society. Survival of the fittest is just another misapplied concept they use to justify their greed.

And as a "civilized" society WE should be ABOVE such things. But the KEYWORD here is SOCIETY. In many minds that is a dirty word as it IS too close to SOCIALISM. We are a SOCIETY OF MANY and SHOULD be treated as EQUAL in all things society is. As long as capitalism runs amuck and is HELD in the hands of a FEW. Nothing will change as they SEE the FEW only deserve to BENEFIT from societies rewards. the hell with the rest of us.
Capitalism is a FLAWED concept because for it to succeed the FEW must exploit the MANY and I for one feel exploited enough after 30 years.

by ranbrow123 Wed Aug 24, 2011 8:44 pm

mistermunster wrote:And as a "civilized" society WE should be ABOVE such things. But the KEYWORD here is SOCIETY. In many minds that is a dirty word as it IS too close to SOCIALISM. We are a SOCIETY OF MANY and SHOULD be treated as EQUAL in all things society is. As long as capitalism runs amuck and is HELD in the hands of a FEW. Nothing will change as they SEE the FEW only deserve to BENEFIT from societies rewards. the hell with the rest of us.
Capitalism is a FLAWED concept because for it to succeed the FEW must exploit the MANY and I for one feel exploited enough after 30 years.

Right. Civilized society by definition seeks to do away with nature and instinct, whereas survival of the fittest is entirely bound by the laws of nature and instinct. Example: Survival of the fittest says that those with congenital illnesses should die younger to prevent proliferation of the weaker genes being passed down. As civilized people, we completely ignore that and allow the "less fit" longer, more productive lives through medicine and treatment. This makes our species weaker as a whole and essentially stunts our evolution, but that is a trade-off we accept as civilized people in order to allow everyone to enjoy life for as long as possible.

by JoanB Wed Aug 24, 2011 8:52 pm

Survival of the fittest doesn't really even apply to what this is...it's more like survival of those with the most inherited wealth. And I just love it when the defenders of tax breaks for the uber rich opine about their superior work ethic, blah, blah...don't want to discourage the precious trust fund babies, now do we?

by sbraney Thu Aug 25, 2011 1:27 pm

tristen303, please stop saying "my side" - the sooner you recognize you don't have a side anymore, i.e., the democrat party that used to support working Americans sold us out a long time ago. The sooner the entire working class wakes up to both parties agenda, the sooner we get to work on a party that represents America and not Wall Street!! The Republicans will do EVERYTHING in their power to make the situation worse next year in order to regain control over what they were responsible for destroying - using the "liberal" media to convince the sheeples that Obama destroyed the country. At this point "our" representatives are just trying to show their corporate handlers how much they're willing to do for them, because it becomes very lucrative later on - there's no difference between their policies.

Over the past two decades, both Republican and Democratic leaders have encouraged trade deficits, off-shoring of jobs and technology, energy dependence and the unsustainable piling up of foreign debt – all of which is inevitably leading to a dramatic decline in the living standards of the average American.

Why is America’s governing class so indifferent to the fate of her people? Faux argues that now that they can find workers and investment opportunities elsewhere, the rich and powerful are abandoning the social contract that until recently had united the economic interests of all Americans.

Faux explains how globalization is creating a new global political elite – “The Party of Davos” – who have more in common with each other than with their fellow citizens. Their so-called trade agreements (like NAFTA) and the World Trade Organization act as a global constitution that protects only one kind of citizen–the corporate investor. Not surprisingly, NAFTA, for example, made the distribution of wealth and power more unequal in all three North American countries.

Please take this time - we all have plenty of it - to educate yourselves - the "free" trade neoliberal agenda has been imposed upon countries all over the world - it killed Yugoslavia and every other nation that wouldn't play the gangsters' game. This sounds insane, but all of us have been sold out, and the final nails will be drilled into the coffin when the DINOs sign the trade agmts. that the cons couldn't get done - just as Clinton did for them in the 90s. NAFTA, CAFTA, etc., were all fascist right wing agendas - the DINOs did what the cons couldn't get done - we overlook the DINOs actions to our own peril. No more excuses for either party - call them what they are - treasonous thugs that are embellishing their own fortunes.

by WilliamsonAngel Thu Aug 25, 2011 2:44 pm

What happens if you're someone seeking a job and you're more fit than the person who is hiring in a survival of the fittest economy?

You don't get the job... because you're a threat.

If you're already working? You get laid off because you're a threat.

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