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Republicans: The Single Greatest Threat to America

Post by Guest on Wed Jun 29, 2011 4:59 pm

Modern Republicans have a simple approach to politics when they are not in the White House: Make America as ungovernable as possible by using any means available... Control as much as possible what the population gets to see and hear; create chaos for your opponent's government, economically and politically; blame it for the mess; and establish in the minds of the voters that their only way out is to submit, that the pain will stop once your side is back in power...

Republicans and the Right... are well positioned to roll the U.S. economy off the cliff and blame the catastrophe on Obama. Indeed, that may be their best hope for winning Election 2012.

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Post by tristen303 on Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:07 pm

Or maybe the left has screwed it up so much more and doesn't have a clue but to finger point they now must have a scape goat, both groups are idoits and bs like that just shows desperation for the side that knows thier going to get handed pink slips in 2012

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Re: Republicans: The Single Greatest Threat to America

Post by Guest on Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:10 pm

tristen303 wrote:Or maybe the left has screwed it up so much more and doesn't have a clue but to finger point they now must have a scape goat, both groups are idoits and bs like that just shows desperation for the side that knows thier going to get handed pink slips in 2012
The left was never given a chance to "screw up". The "right" blocked everything they tried to accomplish.

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Re: Republicans: The Single Greatest Threat to America

Post by TR11005 on Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:10 pm

If there was any article to ever read it is this one. Please read it, well written and the whole truth. Does not have any lies in it all all. Not one misrepresenting the facts of which has happen to us all.

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Re: Republicans: The Single Greatest Threat to America

Post by tristen303 on Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:26 pm

Since the lefts raise in the 70's they have created enough policies and screw ups; they can't wait to take money and waste it on some bs that's why every so many election cycles the country goes right because the left just doesn't work. And why do they go left because my side has never seen a war they didn't like (although this election cycle flip flop is funny I never thought Obama would be the guy fighting and the Repubs saying no) or can figure out which side of the enviro. Movement they are on. I will read the article and post one I will ask you to read until then remember:

“Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victim may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.” – C. S. Lewis

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Re: Republicans: The Single Greatest Threat to America

Post by gettheminNOVEMBER on Wed Jun 29, 2011 7:52 pm

tristen303 wrote:Since the lefts raise in the 70's they have created enough policies and screw ups; they can't wait to take money and waste it on some bs that's why every so many election cycles the country goes right because the left just doesn't work. And why do they go left because my side has never seen a war they didn't like (although this election cycle flip flop is funny I never thought Obama would be the guy fighting and the Repubs saying no) or can figure out which side of the enviro. Movement they are on. I will read the article and post one I will ask you to read until then remember:

“Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victim may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.” – C. S. Lewis

I am sure by now you have figured out that whatever Obama is for they will be against no matter what the subject is. Too bad for you, your own party is blocking everything and anything that will improve the economy so to make Obama fail at the expense of YOUR VOTE! Just think where we would be if they both worked together. Then you have Teaparty funded by the EVIL Koch brothers throwing a wrench in the works. The end result is what you are seeing now. We are spinning our wheels.

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Re: Republicans: The Single Greatest Threat to America

Post by tristen303 on Wed Jun 29, 2011 8:12 pm

The Dems did it too I miss the civility in government when tip oneil was in and they would protest but end up working

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Re: Republicans: The Single Greatest Threat to America

Post by gettheminNOVEMBER on Wed Jun 29, 2011 8:57 pm

Millions are suffering fom the Bush years still. Now the current righties continue to stall and destroy. The Only thing Obama is guilty of is not fighting back. The Stim should have been bigger and longer and tax breaks for the Richest Oil companies and the top 2 percent should have been stopped. They create no jobs and that money could be put to better use. Also the healthcare plan could have waited until actual jobs bills were passed. Now that the right owns the house JOBS bills will not happen. No


The right will NEVER stop blocking bills as long as Obama is in office. If the left can get back the house and senate we will be able to move forward. Plus get rid of a few judges like Clarence Thomas Twisted Evil

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Re: Republicans: The Single Greatest Threat to America

Post by JoanB on Wed Jun 29, 2011 9:21 pm

tristen303 wrote:The Dems did it too I miss the civility in government when tip oneil was in and they would protest but end up working

I'm sick and tired of the old "both sides do it" excuse whenever repubs get called out or caught. Dems barely obstructed anything when Bush was in the White House. Don't you rememberr the gang of 14? The nuclear option? President Obama can barely even get any appointments through because Republicans won't approve them. Forget any substantial legislation. I don't mind you expressing your point of view, tristen but I wish you would at least come up with points that were actually based in reality.

Remember what Mitch McConnell said: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-A09a_gHJc Republican priorities. With all the problems this country has. It's fashionable to blame both sides, but it's also B.S.

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Re: Republicans: The Single Greatest Threat to America

Post by tristen303 on Wed Jun 29, 2011 9:42 pm

LOL the Dems just did what when they didn't get thier way? What planet are you on? Reality, you think Unions didn't create a mess you think the Dems have an answer and you think your current party of leaders has a clue as they havent created a budget since when 09 and then increased the budget LOL while having no money yeah your right I want to move on fantasy island with you it sounds nice there.

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Re: Republicans: The Single Greatest Threat to America

Post by stansmad on Wed Jun 29, 2011 10:10 pm

Same old, same old. Obama takes NO responsibility for anything. Blame it on everyone else. He has shown no signs of leadership. Period ! Hillary has more balls.

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Re: Republicans: The Single Greatest Threat to America

Post by Guest on Wed Jun 29, 2011 10:20 pm

gettheminNOVEMBER wrote:Millions are suffering fom the Bush years still. Now the current righties continue to stall and destroy. The Only thing Obama is guilty of is not fighting back. The Stim should have been bigger and longer and tax breaks for the Richest Oil companies and the top 2 percent should have been stopped. They create no jobs and that money could be put to better use. Also the healthcare plan could have waited until actual jobs bills were passed. Now that the right owns the house JOBS bills will not happen. No


The right will NEVER stop blocking bills as long as Obama is in office. If the left can get back the house and senate we will be able to move forward. Plus get rid of a few judges like Clarence Thomas Twisted Evil

Well said. No is the answer to everything.

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Re: Republicans: The Single Greatest Threat to America

Post by tristen303 on Wed Jun 29, 2011 11:08 pm

LOL if the left gets back the house and keeps the Senate well have jobs your joking they had complete control and did nothing which is what they are best at WI balanced a budget what the dems do run to another state hows that for not getting your way or looking after who pours money into your relection without looking towards the future yes the Dems have all the answers lol

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Re: Republicans: The Single Greatest Threat to America

Post by gettheminNOVEMBER on Wed Jun 29, 2011 11:18 pm

tristen303 wrote:LOL if the left gets back the house and keeps the Senate well have jobs your joking they had complete control and did nothing which is what they are best at WI balanced a budget what the dems do run to another state hows that for not getting your way or looking after who pours money into your relection without looking towards the future yes the Dems have all the answers lol

They did NOT have control of the Senate, it takes 60 votes to pass a bill there. Every righty forgets that. Rolling Eyes We had to convince repos to jump the isle to pass the unemployment tiers.

The REPUKES answer is to do NOTHING and watch ROME BURN!!

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Re: Republicans: The Single Greatest Threat to America

Post by TR11005 on Thu Jun 30, 2011 1:20 am

Let ROME burn on August 2. Maybe then something can be done. If the rich money is then worthless then they are equal to the homeless and exhaustee. capitil hill Let the burning begin. Let start with the rich people houses first. The poor were dumb and burnt their houses in the late 60's.

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Re: Republicans: The Single Greatest Threat to America

Post by couth11 on Thu Jun 30, 2011 1:24 am

gettheminNOVEMBER wrote:Millions are suffering fom the Bush years still. Now the current righties continue to stall and destroy. The Only thing Obama is guilty of is not fighting back. The Stim should have been bigger and longer and tax breaks for the Richest Oil companies and the top 2 percent should have been stopped. They create no jobs and that money could be put to better use. Also the healthcare plan could have waited until actual jobs bills were passed. Now that the right owns the house JOBS bills will not happen. No


The right will NEVER stop blocking bills as long as Obama is in office. If the left can get back the house and senate we will be able to move forward. Plus get rid of a few judges like Clarence Thomas Twisted Evil

They should be charged with treason.

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Re: Republicans: The Single Greatest Threat to America

Post by couth11 on Thu Jun 30, 2011 1:28 am

If this whole thing is a political party war, and we are hostages to it, and people are dying and suffering because of it- they should be treated like any other malevolent govt. official.

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Re: Republicans: The Single Greatest Threat to America

Post by tristen303 on Thu Jun 30, 2011 1:30 am

Let it burn those that are self suffiecient will always be those that aren't won't be around to drag the others down time to seperte the wheat from the chaff I agree.
The left loves Darwin when you talk about God but loves Jesus when its time for handouts.

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Re: Republicans: The Single Greatest Threat to America

Post by Guest on Thu Jun 30, 2011 2:43 am

couth11 wrote:If this whole thing is a political party war, and we are hostages to it, and people are dying and suffering because of it- they should be treated like any other malevolent govt. official.

If any of us did the things they are doing you can bet we would be thrown in jail!!

They are constantly trying to quote the constitution when it suits them, but they really dont give a dam. they are violating the constitution by holding up the debt ceiling.

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Re: Republicans: The Single Greatest Threat to America

Post by tristen303 on Thu Jun 30, 2011 3:21 am

Holding up the debt ceiling violating the Cosntitution surely you jest that's a double edged sword for the left better think twice before pulling that one out

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Post by gettheminNOVEMBER on Thu Jun 30, 2011 5:25 pm

tristen303 wrote:Holding up the debt ceiling violating the Cosntitution surely you jest that's a double edged sword for the left better think twice before pulling that one out

WTH are you talking about the left is holding things up? Who ran away? HUH?? That baby Cantor. What are you smoking these days??

If you repukes and Tea Party members want cuts then start witht he Bush tax cuts and subsidies for the richest oil companies. NO THEY ARE OFF THE TABLE?? BIG WASTE OF MONEY? By the way WE ARE NOT BROKE!!

Look up Van Jones please watch his last show. Maye we can get the crap out of your ears for once and put some truth in there. If you want I will find the link for ya.

How can you stick up for the right when they want the economy to fail and don't want to help you at all?? Where were you there the past 2 years when dems fought for more tiers of unemployment? The repukes wanted you to just go away. You can thank the dems now for the extension of dates and tier 3.

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Re: Republicans: The Single Greatest Threat to America

Post by gettheminNOVEMBER on Thu Jun 30, 2011 5:27 pm

tristen303 wrote:Let it burn those that are self suffiecient will always be those that aren't won't be around to drag the others down time to seperte the wheat from the chaff I agree.
The left loves Darwin when you talk about God but loves Jesus when its time for handouts.

Ok Ayn Rand, give back your unemployment benefits and just die then right?

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Re: Republicans: The Single Greatest Threat to America

Post by tristen303 on Thu Jun 30, 2011 6:19 pm

Van Jones is a clown a racists and desperate and not worht the breathe I use to speak his name he is what he is and those that follow is rants and ramblings well good for you I respect you. As for my comment about the failing economy that is a hyperbole statement, I was being a smartass becasue everyone that posted before me wanted that I hope you condem those from your side the moral left. As for my response to debt constitutionality I know, I know: that wasn’t the intent. The intent was to flog the concept that a debt ceiling is itself unconstitutional as per the 14th Amendment, thus obviating forever the need Get them for Democratic politicians to stop spending money that we don’t actually have. Here’s the text from the 14th:

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

…and it’s been argued – pretty much mostly by neo-Keynesian (and former conservative) say Bruce Bartlett that the text means that any attempt to enforce a real cap on indebtedness is thus unconstitutional, so there, neener neener. If you’re wondering, however, how you can make it unconstitutional to enforce a cap on indebtedness while not also conceding that it’s unconstitutional to incur that debt in the first place, well, I regret to tell you this: Don’t write fiscal policy for the Democratic party, apparently.
Get them I look forward to the Regressives I mean Dems using this argument, for the following reasons:

1.The Right is not going to shut up because a Democrat screams “Unconstitutional!” at them. Partially because they can read the blessed thing themselves, and they’re going to notice that the 14th says nothing about requiring that debt be incurred*; and partially because the Riht has, collectively and individually, rather more brains than Dems give them credit for having.
2.People are “divided on whether the debt limit should be raised, according to an Associated Press-GfK poll that found 41 percent opposed to the idea and 38 percent in favor.” Let me translate that out of AP-ese: the Dems will start this discussion trying to convince the American people that the plurality opinion on this issue is unconstitutional. That in itself is not an insurmountable problem, but it is complicated by the detail that ‘Do not raise the debt ceiling’ is semantically equivalent to ‘Stop spending money that we don’t have, you bad people.’ Hmmmm hows the left going to think themselves out of that one.
3.Remember Obamacare? Remember how unpopular it was? Remember how unpopular it kept being, no matter how hard the Dems tried to move the needle? Remember how the Democrats ignored popular opinion on that, and passed it anyway by doing what cheating? And remember when there were sixty Dems in the Senate, and two hundred and fifty-nine in the House? All of those questions are related. But. If the Democrats want to take a position on the debt ceiling which puts the members of the Executive Branch by the Dems’ own interpretation of the language of the Constitution in danger of violating Article II, Section 4:

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

…and I think that deliberately choosing to violate the Constitution – again, by the Dems’ own interpretation – qualifies. Although it’s more about what the House leadership would think, of course; …anyway, if the Dems want to give the right that gift, well go for it! *Oops.


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Re: Republicans: The Single Greatest Threat to America

Post by gettheminNOVEMBER on Thu Jun 30, 2011 7:26 pm

Who created the debt tristen? Who voted to raise the debt ceiling 19 times? BUSH DID!!


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Re: Republicans: The Single Greatest Threat to America

Post by stansmad on Thu Jun 30, 2011 8:35 pm

gettheminNOVEMBER wrote:
tristen303 wrote:Holding up the debt ceiling violating the Cosntitution surely you jest that's a double edged sword for the left better think twice before pulling that one out

WTH are you talking about the left is holding things up? Who ran away? HUH?? That baby Cantor. What are you smoking these days??

If you repukes and Tea Party members want cuts then start witht he Bush tax cuts and subsidies for the richest oil companies. NO THEY ARE OFF THE TABLE?? BIG WASTE OF MONEY? By the way WE ARE NOT BROKE!!

Look up Van Jones please watch his last show. Maye we can get the crap out of your ears for once and put some truth in there. If you want I will find the link for ya.

How can you stick up for the right when they want the economy to fail and don't want to help you at all?? Where were you there the past 2 years when dems fought for more tiers of unemployment? The repukes wanted you to just go away. You can thank the dems now for the extension of dates and tier 3.
Van Jones is a self admitted radical communist who resigned from Obama admin. as a "green czar". He also signed the "9-11" petition that accused George Bush of allowing 3,000 people to be slaughtered. Are you kidding me ? Was also arrested in the Rodney King riots. You are using this person as a source ? FYI- They are not the BUSH TAX CUTS any longer. OBAMA signed them when he caved in, remember ? George Bush was the first President to sign a bill to EXTEND UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS BEYOND 26 WEEKS. Also Obama's charade to call out the congress to stay and work on the debt limit was purely political. The man has already started on the campaign trail and everyone knows it. I find it ironic that you are a moderator and are calling people " repukes", now that's classy.

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