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Post by Guest on Fri Jun 17, 2011 11:00 am

After telling his employer that his wife of 23 years had lung cancer and he would need to work a modified schedule to help care for her, Carl Sorabella was fired from him job. ABC News reports that Kathy Sorabella learned in late April that she had stage 4 incurable cancer. Her husband asked his employer of 14 years, Haynes Management, a real estate company in Wellesley Hills, Massaschusetts, to work a more flexible schedule. This was the response he got:

"When I told my boss, she said 'We were thinking about laying you off.' I thought, 'You can't do that,'" Sorabella told WCVB.

http://www.care2.com/causes/civil-rights/blog/your-wife-has-cancer-youre-fired/

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Re: Your Wife Has Cancer? You're Fired

Post by Guest on Fri Jun 17, 2011 12:01 pm

Prayers for the Sorabella's. Hopefully this exposure will land him a job that will give him some flexibility to help care for his lovely wife.

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Re: Your Wife Has Cancer? You're Fired

Post by laine25 on Fri Jun 17, 2011 12:51 pm

I can't understand the total lack of compassion for a loyal worker.

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Re: Your Wife Has Cancer? You're Fired

Post by Jobless_in_Ma on Fri Jun 17, 2011 3:15 pm

This is UNBELIEVABLE! Businesses no longer care about the well being of thier employees nor care about their families. Why bother when there is 15 million with healthy wives ready to go....

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Re: Your Wife Has Cancer? You're Fired

Post by Guest on Fri Jun 17, 2011 3:34 pm

So very sad, and makes you really angry at the same time.

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Re: Your Wife Has Cancer? You're Fired

Post by Guest on Fri Jun 17, 2011 3:36 pm

Jobless_in_Ma wrote:This is UNBELIEVABLE! Businesses no longer care about the well being of thier employees nor care about their families. Why bother when there is 15 million with healthy wives ready to go....

Not going to be healthy for to much longer. How long can you go without healthcare coverage, which most of the 15 million unemployed are lacking right now!

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Re: Your Wife Has Cancer? You're Fired

Post by New_Wave_Princess on Fri Jun 17, 2011 4:05 pm

Very sick but am not surprised. I went for an interview a while back and they actually gave me forms allowing them to check my medical records. I refused and they never called me for a second interview.

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Re: Your Wife Has Cancer? You're Fired

Post by LeannaAndPerry on Mon Jun 20, 2011 11:18 am

What I believe is this... Employers (the very few we have left) are adding health discrimination to their list of reason not to hire or reasons to get rid of.

Hubby said recently that he knew of..... An actual person in a "Hiring position" who said and I quote...."We do not hire if they seem, look, act or ever speak about being ill". Or have family that is, or is presumed to be ill. The health insurance is just too costly. And he said they get rid of those who are ill. See, the company provides 100% of the Employee's insurance and only 80% of the family plan. Yes, it is costly but the deductibles are high so they can't be paying too awful much. IMHO.

And if the person is taking off more lately due to illness or illness within the family, not only is the company losing valuble hours from the employee but they are still having to pay out of pocket medical coverage every week for that employee , and family if included in plan. So he told my husband it's like this.... It's a "Right To Work State" (Tennessee) and we can fire at the drop of a hat. Doesn't mean your not qualified for unemployment though. It really just means we are going to seek out someone who isn't a finantual threat to our company bank roll for insurance.

It makes me so mad.

But then again I have to think back. Yes, I know what they are talking about. A few years back (before being fired/laid off) family member has insurance and a family plan. His wife was at the dentist, Psychiatrist, medical doctor, obgyn, etc..... Seems like at least once a week or more. She lived in these places. No real extreme need for it. We all thought she had real issues. Because she was doing their children that way too. Always having to go to the doctors for some reason. And one cabinate in their kitchen looked like a pharmacy. So as not everyone acts that way, there are abusers of the system. And they are the key factor in why employers do not hire as openly anymore, and why they get rid of those who are ill or who have family who get ill.

No, I am not a professional or know stats on this. Only first hand knowledge of what I have seen. And it makes sense.

My husband has been working now for a year. He has health insurance, built up Vacation time finally and got a much need whopping .50 raise. He also is 49 yrs. old. And has developed some issues with his left foot. Out of nowhere. Kills him to walk. It stays swollen. And shoots pain through his foot when he walks. But hubby refuses to show (at work) that he is hurting. He doesn't want to lose his job. He knows there is some young man in their prime just waiting to jump on the job. So he worries about weather or not he should see a doctor. Knowing this could go either way.... Good or bad. Yes, his insurance is covered, but he doesn't want to seem like an insurance liability to the company so they won't get rid of him. Well....
I refused to allow him to be in pain any longer, I called and made him an appointment with a Podiatrist.... And that is tomorrow. If he is fired/terminated.... then they just lost a really good employee. But we will cross that bridge when we come to it.

Sorry so long winded.

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Re: Your Wife Has Cancer? You're Fired

Post by flowergirl on Mon Jun 20, 2011 11:36 am

Sorry to sound cynical but it pathetic that while banks have $TRILLIONS of unused money for loans and Fortune 500 Companies are making unprecidented profits that they exploit the state of our "economy" to justify such inexcusable business decisions. These and other stories are becoming the "norm" in our society instead of society joining together in "tough times" to help others.
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Re: Your Wife Has Cancer? You're Fired

Post by lendmeflight2 on Mon Jun 20, 2011 12:56 pm

LeannaAndPerry wrote:What I believe is this... Employers (the very few we have left) are adding health discrimination to their list of reason not to hire or reasons to get rid of.

Hubby said recently that he knew of..... An actual person in a "Hiring position" who said and I quote...."We do not hire if they seem, look, act or ever speak about being ill". Or have family that is, or is presumed to be ill. The health insurance is just too costly. And he said they get rid of those who are ill. See, the company provides 100% of the Employee's insurance and only 80% of the family plan. Yes, it is costly but the deductibles are high so they can't be paying too awful much. IMHO.

And if the person is taking off more lately due to illness or illness within the family, not only is the company losing valuble hours from the employee but they are still having to pay out of pocket medical coverage every week for that employee , and family if included in plan. So he told my husband it's like this.... It's a "Right To Work State" (Tennessee) and we can fire at the drop of a hat. Doesn't mean your not qualified for unemployment though. It really just means we are going to seek out someone who isn't a finantual threat to our company bank roll for insurance.

It makes me so mad.

But then again I have to think back. Yes, I know what they are talking about. A few years back (before being fired/laid off) family member has insurance and a family plan. His wife was at the dentist, Psychiatrist, medical doctor, obgyn, etc..... Seems like at least once a week or more. She lived in these places. No real extreme need for it. We all thought she had real issues. Because she was doing their children that way too. Always having to go to the doctors for some reason. And one cabinate in their kitchen looked like a pharmacy. So as not everyone acts that way, there are abusers of the system. And they are the key factor in why employers do not hire as openly anymore, and why they get rid of those who are ill or who have family who get ill.

No, I am not a professional or know stats on this. Only first hand knowledge of what I have seen. And it makes sense.

My husband has been working now for a year. He has health insurance, built up Vacation time finally and got a much need whopping .50 raise. He also is 49 yrs. old. And has developed some issues with his left foot. Out of nowhere. Kills him to walk. It stays swollen. And shoots pain through his foot when he walks. But hubby refuses to show (at work) that he is hurting. He doesn't want to lose his job. He knows there is some young man in their prime just waiting to jump on the job. So he worries about weather or not he should see a doctor. Knowing this could go either way.... Good or bad. Yes, his insurance is covered, but he doesn't want to seem like an insurance liability to the company so they won't get rid of him. Well....
I refused to allow him to be in pain any longer, I called and made him an appointment with a Podiatrist.... And that is tomorrow. If he is fired/terminated.... then they just lost a really good employee. But we will cross that bridge when we come to it.

Sorry so long winded.

I am glad this makes sense to you because it certainly doesn't to me.

The problem with labor in general these days, other than there not being enough of it, is that employees are considered "expenses". You always hear that, "the biggest expense a company has is labor". Your labor is an asset or an investment, not an expense. If you bought stock in a company you would call it an investment, not an expense. A company offers employee health insurance because it is the best interest of the company for the employee to remain healthy. In the last 30 years companies have started to look at the bottom line and realize that pay a lot in labor and health care costs without realizing how impossible it would be for them to run their companies without employees.

It does not make sense to me that a company would fire an employee because he needed to go to the doctor. I guess missing a lot of time is different and should be dealt with differently. It is ridiculous that employees at your husband's company would be afraid to show that they are sick because "health care costs too much" to keep hurt employees on the payroll.
At the same time this is happening the working class is starting to turn against unions. I don't understand this at all.

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Re: Your Wife Has Cancer? You're Fired

Post by americatheneedy on Mon Jun 20, 2011 5:15 pm

I'm too disgusted to comment

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Post by mamroz on Mon Jun 20, 2011 10:04 pm

I don't know how some people can live with themselves. Well, as the saying goes, "karma's a b!@ch." These people who do these dispicable things will get theirs.

What goes around, comes around. Twisted Evil

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Post by TR11005 on Mon Jun 20, 2011 10:26 pm

My wife returns to work after having a total knee replacement surgery, tomorrow. Used her total FMLA time. If she can't stand long enough, we could loose any healthcare insurance we can that is affordable.

That is so wrong!

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Post by New_Wave_Princess on Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:23 am

This is why even though I have arthritis I refused to go to a specialist. It's not even that bad but the doctors kept trying to get me to go.

My last employer had a sneaky way to get rid of employees and that was tell them they had "issues", had them go the employment assistance program (the CEO was good friends with the head of my former employer)where the "specialist" would rule that they should go see a psychologist (usually one of their associates). The psychologist would "suggest" the employee needed to enroll in a mental health hospital (ie mental institution)or rehab for drinking and or drugs. Need I mention the HR person would state their view is final? If you didn't do this you were fired and if you did they would claim your "disability" caused trouble.

I bring this up because this ends up often becoming insurance records and hurts you with future jobs. You also become a health risk even if you were just doing what you were told.

Scary stuff when you think about it.

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Re: Your Wife Has Cancer? You're Fired

Post by Guest on Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:58 am

The biggest issue is that healthcare costs have to be addressed. By that I mean what Doctors charge and what insurance pays. With all the major insurance companies making record profits, from our money, this is what needs to change. They cherrypick who they want to insure, strongly suggest companies, owners do their homework as well, so the man who had a heart attack at 38 doesn't get the job, take all the money and then cherrypick what services you can get if you wind up in the hospital or Emergency Dept. They decide if you are admitted or held in observation. Many articles on this in all the papers. Dr.s are getting sick of having their hands tied when it comes to care. This is a big, big part of why people are not getting hired. It's a huge issue for most, many people take lesser paying jobs just to get coverage.

Insurance Companies are part of the Service Sector, like "professionals" i.e. Dr's, Nurses, Firemen, they should not be able to strike, or charge at will and make profits beyond reason. If their profits are so huge, why do they have to make the stand that the cost of healthcare is so high. It can't be that high. Fewer people in the last three years have health insurance than at any other time, wouldn't less people insured mean less profits, just the opposite. Our legislators need to have the gumption( it's a family forum) to take this head on. This is one of the biggest scams happening today and nothing is being done about it. No insurance company should have the power to suggest to any employer who their next potential hire should be based on any information they provide. They do it all the time. (While ripping us off blind and making those record profits). This is what the American people need to get screaming about. This is our money, not just employers money.

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Re: Your Wife Has Cancer? You're Fired

Post by Guest on Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:05 am

Back on topic. I am praying for this poor family everyday. I was really hoping that since the news picked up this story that he would have been offered a job somewhere and received healthcare coverage as well. I complain about this situation we are in but I hear a story like this and think how do you feel when you lose you job and can't provide for you wife or husband when they are going through the worst time in their lives? Will keep them in my prayers as I am sure all of you will too.

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