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Post by vintage on Tue Jun 14, 2011 7:35 pm

Interesting article and video

(CBS News)

Unemployment has hit baby-boomers especially hard. For those over 55, the jobless rate has doubled since the recession began, to 6.8 percent. In real terms, that's more than 2 million people, many of whom once had good-paying, white-collar jobs.

And the older you are when you lose a job, the harder it is to find a new one, CBS News correspondent Byron Pitts reports.


Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/06/13/eveningnews/main20070917.shtml#ixzz1PIBoC4mx



http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/06/13/eveningnews/main20070917.shtml

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Post by Guest on Tue Jun 14, 2011 9:09 pm

That is so sad, but true. I am in that age group. All the recent talk of job creation by retraining for skills and trades in mfg. to fill expected job vacancies when older workers retire are designed to help the younger generation. None of these jobs plans will help the "fifty somethings".

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Post by Guest on Tue Jun 14, 2011 9:24 pm

Well it's about time. That number does not count the 99ers and I am willing to be that the over 50 among us are largely 99ers by now. Not that those under 50 arent, but remember, when it comes to letting people go in recessionary times, the longer you have been at a place, the costlier you are to insure, the more vacation and benefits you have the better for them to save money by laying that person off, not the new man/woman who makes half the salary and benefits.

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Post by TR11005 on Tue Jun 14, 2011 9:45 pm

I totally agree. It is worse if you have a Bachelors degree. No help from anyone, not even retraining. This country has loss its common sense. It used to be where you respected the senior workers. Now, it is dealing with these young punks, who never worked a day in their lives. I think the Nazi were smarter then this! moth

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Post by nfpexec on Tue Jun 14, 2011 9:59 pm

I lost my job a couple of years before turning 50 and ever since it's like i've become invisible. Education & experience means NOTHING. The only reason I can see for my not getting jobs I interviewed for is my age. Everytime I walk into the office I feel like grandma walking into a frat party. And these kids don't have any respect for mature workers and delusional as they are, think they will NEVER be in this situation.


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Post by gettheminNOVEMBER on Tue Jun 14, 2011 10:01 pm

I wonder if any of our fearless "leaders" realize most 99ers are above 40, lost their jobs first when things were still going WAY down hill. Most of the 99ers weeks of unemployment were spent watching the economy lose 500,000 jobs a month Question

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Post by Guest on Tue Jun 14, 2011 11:01 pm

getthem, I am convinced that their ignorance of the 99ers is as a whole they have no idea of the amount of us, that jobs are not there for us, they spew their rhetoric, but half of them have no clue how many people are reallly unemployed, which really frightens me, but they also have no idea how to come up with solutions for it. At times I really think they are relieved that these scandals "weinergate" come up just to take the heat off. This debt ceiling is so serious and they are so glib about it, just let us get downgraded, watch how fast stimulus starts flying, just watch. They will work round the clock to make that happen. Other countries will crucify us and will start with them, when corporations start hurting, oh believe me, they will make things happen. Yet still they make statements like so be it, don't extend the debt ceiling. Seems to me they have no clue as to how things really do work. Wait until countries we owe money to start making demands. Just watch how fast they move. it's sickening.

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Post by Kathleen on Wed Jun 15, 2011 12:06 am

My son and his friends are mostly in their late teens and early 20's and all with no degrees and some with no HS diplomas. They have no trouble getting jobs!! At least those motivated....
Frustrating to me, some of those jobs I can not do physically - so more power to them. Others I am deemed "over qualified for". Can't win for losing.
Two losing groups in this- over 50 and those young going for or who have degree... sad.

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Post by Guest on Wed Jun 15, 2011 1:37 am

I went through all the hoops to join "Matureworker Connection" most of these offices have funding from the Fed's and some State funding. It was imporant to have up to date skills, ie; Microsoft Office, Adobe, Database software of various types depending on your industry, they didn't expect SAP or People Soft, but still they wanted you fairly current for your field. I was fortunate to have the skills, but they still sent me to the resume classes, and "looking for work over 50 classes", so I went to the classes and got my cert. It was actually nice to get out and play with others so to speak. Very great folks, all out of work looking to start over. Anyway, they cut the funding June 15th!!

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Post by Guest on Wed Jun 15, 2011 1:39 am

So, I thought that might be something with a door opener, since the volunteers kept telling me to mention, mention them to everyone I talked with. Even if I didn't get a referral from them for an interview, they needed the credit to keep getting funding. As of now, there having to close down. Just the name of their organization across the States should be enough to keep them open, but no funding anylonger.

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Post by LaRose on Wed Jun 15, 2011 8:05 pm

I'm in the same boat. I lost my white collar job over two years ago and have only had some spotty contracting jobs to tide me over. I was told by an acquaintance, a former HR person, that the unspoken rule is never to hire anyone that looks like they might be older than 40. I'm approaching 60.

In the past I would have applied for any type of job - dishwashing, fast food, anything. But I can no longer stand for longer than 30 minutes due to side-effects from chemo 6 years ago. It's been hell. And I feel like no one cares.

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Post by Judi58 on Wed Jun 15, 2011 8:36 pm

disgustedwithgovt wrote:So, I thought that might be something with a door opener, since the volunteers kept telling me to mention, mention them to everyone I talked with. Even if I didn't get a referral from them for an interview, they needed the credit to keep getting funding. As of now, there having to close down. Just the name of their organization across the States should be enough to keep them open, but no funding anylonger.

Same spot over fifty and out for over 2 years almost 2 1/2 years.. I had my volunteer work on my resume and at an interview I was told by the man interviewing me to take it off it looked bad.. Cant win for losing...
Now I put that I am in school... what does it matter I am not going to get hired they look at my how much I made and blow me off.. forget I would work for anything.. they dont care or believe you..

Yet if I made that much I must have been worth it.. They could have me for 1/2 that amount.. sounds like a good idea to me..

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Post by gettheminNOVEMBER on Wed Jun 15, 2011 8:57 pm

MaryKay wrote:getthem, I am convinced that their ignorance of the 99ers is as a whole they have no idea of the amount of us, that jobs are not there for us, they spew their rhetoric, but half of them have no clue how many people are reallly unemployed, which really frightens me, but they also have no idea how to come up with solutions for it. At times I really think they are relieved that these scandals "weinergate" come up just to take the heat off. This debt ceiling is so serious and they are so glib about it, just let us get downgraded, watch how fast stimulus starts flying, just watch. They will work round the clock to make that happen. Other countries will crucify us and will start with them, when corporations start hurting, oh believe me, they will make things happen. Yet still they make statements like so be it, don't extend the debt ceiling. Seems to me they have no clue as to how things really do work. Wait until countries we owe money to start making demands. Just watch how fast they move. it's sickening.

I think its WILLFULL IGNORANCE. I see them respond to people all the time on twitter and FB if supporters of either side want to pledge support. But when you say unemployed, jobless or 99er forget it. Rolling Eyes Shame on them.

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Post by couth11 on Wed Jun 15, 2011 10:24 pm

LaRose wrote:I'm in the same boat. I lost my white collar job over two years ago and have only had some spotty contracting jobs to tide me over. I was told by an acquaintance, a former HR person, that the unspoken rule is never to hire anyone that looks like they might be older than 40. I'm approaching 60.

In the past I would have applied for any type of job - dishwashing, fast food, anything. But I can no longer stand for longer than 30 minutes due to side-effects from chemo 6 years ago. It's been hell. And I feel like no one cares.

What was the rationale for not hiring over-forties?

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Post by couth11 on Wed Jun 15, 2011 10:34 pm

MaryKay wrote:getthem, I am convinced that their ignorance of the 99ers is as a whole they have no idea of the amount of us, that jobs are not there for us, they spew their rhetoric, but half of them have no clue how many people are reallly unemployed, which really frightens me, but they also have no idea how to come up with solutions for it. At times I really think they are relieved that these scandals "weinergate" come up just to take the heat off. This debt ceiling is so serious and they are so glib about it, just let us get downgraded, watch how fast stimulus starts flying, just watch. They will work round the clock to make that happen. Other countries will crucify us and will start with them, when corporations start hurting, oh believe me, they will make things happen. Yet still they make statements like so be it, don't extend the debt ceiling. Seems to me they have no clue as to how things really do work. Wait until countries we owe money to start making demands. Just watch how fast they move. it's sickening.

I have no doubt that you're right on the money. I can't understand how they can possibly be so willing to play russian roullette (sp?) with this country and its citizens. I'm in MN, and political party bickering is leading to layoffs and a govt, shut down. Too much drama, not enough competence. I am actually ASHAMED of our elected officials, and not because of Weiner.

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Post by couth11 on Wed Jun 15, 2011 11:15 pm

I was thinking about The Great Depression, and how a lot of people started businesses just to survive. I was thinking about this because I began to think that the only way we're going to get back to work is if we hire ourselves. But it's not that simple. In some ways, they had it easier.

Back then, there were far fewer regulations, licenses and red tape to deal with. Even baking cookies for sale has red tape. We risk arrest, fines and lawsuits if something goes wrong. So hiring ourselves is sometimes out of reach, too.

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Post by LaRose on Thu Jun 16, 2011 9:14 pm

What was the rationale for not hiring over-forties?

Higher potential insurance costs, mostly. But also they expect that older workers would leave if a better-paying job came along. Another reason I heard was that older workers don't have as much energy as younger workers, and they get sick more often.

I was thinking about The Great Depression, and how a lot of people started businesses just to survive. I was thinking about this because I began to think that the only way we're going to get back to work is if we hire ourselves.

That's basically what I've been doing as a contractor. And I do enjoy working for myself. What I miss most, however, is having decent health insurance. It's simply not affordable, especially since I am a cancer survivor. And without a reliable, steady income, it's difficult to budget for premiums that are, in my case, over $600/month. When it comes down to it, that's what I want the most - access to health care when I need it. I'm overdue for my annual blood work to confirm that I'm still in remission. That uncertainty weighs like a ton of bricks over my head. I haven't felt well lately, and I don't know if it's depression, seasonal allergies that make me feel logy, or that my cancer has come back.

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Post by Guest on Fri Jun 17, 2011 12:47 am

Hi LaRose, I don't know if this would help you. But, here in AZ, we have a grocery chain that contracts with labs that do your chem panel for approx $35 for a full panel of tests. I'm not sure that would be the same as what a lab panel would be for someone who has had cancer in the past, but can you do some research to see if there may be some organizations that offer blood draws in their facilities in your area? The blood is actually drawn at the local grocery store by Sonoran Labs, it's all done by medical certified folks. You get the results in the mail, and the results show you what the normal/range level would be for an individual reading normal, and then what your level is. Example; lets just use colesteral, normal under 200, your level (whatever it would be), they give it you in HDL and LDL. I've used this service, and if you call the lab, they will give you information if you can't figure out your numbers by yourself. I'm not sure where you live, but these labs are fairly popular all over the Country, they also usually give the flu vaccines at these local grocery stores. Hope this helps, and god bless, hope you stay well.

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Post by LaRose on Fri Jun 17, 2011 12:56 am

Thanks - I'll make a call to my oncologist and see if he knows of anything like that up here. I appreciate your suggestion! Thanks Smile

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Post by New_Wave_Princess on Fri Jun 17, 2011 4:18 pm

TR11005 wrote:I totally agree. It is worse if you have a Bachelors degree. No help from anyone, not even retraining. This country has loss its common sense. It used to be where you respected the senior workers. Now, it is dealing with these young punks, who never worked a day in their lives. I think the Nazi were smarter then this! moth

This is sad but true. I contacted the local One Stop and the woman told me my degree made me ineligible for almost every job training program. She said I could possibly take computer training but since I was a computer trainer I think that would be silly to do.

I am only 40 but am being discriminated against agewise. I've had employers bluntly tell me they wanted a younger worker. I don't look my age, in fact many people think I am a college student or in my 20's. The reason they gave for this was because younger people keep up with trends. The thing is I keep up with trends.

They also claim it's insurance. In fact people here have even defended this! The reality is thate age doesn't determine whether one is sick or not. I know plenty of healthy people over 40 and ill 20's people.

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Post by Redpossum on Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:41 pm

51 here, been unemployed since April of 2008, been a 99er for a year now.

It suXX0rz Smile

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Post by BeachedinFL on Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:49 pm

I'm 58, un- and underemployed since March '09. One of the facets of this fiasco that makes me angriest is, if they would implement some REAL healthcare reform and not the bogus stuff of the past couple of years, employers wouldn't have to worry about the additional overhead if they hire an older worker and could get the talent they need. As to skills up to date? I've got a degree, been building websites since 1997, knowledgeable about social media, etc., etc., and so what?

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