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Post by 54andpoor on Sat Apr 02, 2011 1:22 pm

I'm afraid it's now time to call the 99ers 'Permanently Unemployed'. After being unemployed for 2+ years and it taking 10 years at the current rate to go back down to unemployment levels like 2005, the 99ers have little chance of becoming part of mainstream America again. If you are in your 50's, hope you can last until SS and Medicare.

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Post by 54andpoor on Sat Apr 02, 2011 1:55 pm

[quote="DesperateInRI"]
DesperateInRI wrote:Please post only supportive and positive comments in this thread. For many of us, hope is all we have left. Sad If you want to vent about this, please see this thread:

http://www.unemployed-friends2.org/t1501-have-doubts-about-hr-589-vent-away-here#15009


You've been doing the hope thing for over a year now. Isn't it time for a reality check? The Secret Millionaire or Extreme Makeover crew is not going to knock at your door. Maybe it's time to examine what kind of life you can have living outside of the mainstream. Maybe RI is never going to have a job for you-time to examine other options. What are you going to do about your situation in another year with no job or benefits? I'm sorry but false hope for the 99ers is ultimately negative if it prevents you from changing your situation to fit the times you live in.

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Post by Guest on Sat Apr 02, 2011 2:03 pm

I am almost 55 years old and have gone through hell in the three years since I lost my job. One thing I have learned through this is that family and friends are more important than anything else in this world. I am not going to let the S.O.B.'s in Washington take that away from me also. I will not move away from the only thing I have left.

I choose to remain optimistic and will not give in. Not you, nor anyone else, is going to take that hope away from me.

Please see the post you quoted and vent there, or create your own topic to share your feelings on this. Hope is not lost for all of us, only for those who give up.

http://www.unemployed-friends2.org/t1501-have-doubts-about-hr-589-vent-away-here#15009


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Post by Injeun on Sat Apr 02, 2011 2:41 pm

54andpoor wrote:I'm afraid it's now time to call the 99ers 'Permanently Unemployed'. After being unemployed for 2+ years and it taking 10 years at the current rate to go back down to unemployment levels like 2005, the 99ers have little chance of becoming part of mainstream America again. If you are in your 50's, hope you can last until SS and Medicare.

Does the courage by which you state manys worst fears spring from having a job or sufficient income yourself?

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Post by 54andpoor on Sat Apr 02, 2011 2:59 pm

Injeun wrote:
54andpoor wrote:I'm afraid it's now time to call the 99ers 'Permanently Unemployed'. After being unemployed for 2+ years and it taking 10 years at the current rate to go back down to unemployment levels like 2005, the 99ers have little chance of becoming part of mainstream America again. If you are in your 50's, hope you can last until SS and Medicare.

Does the courage by which you state manys worst fears spring from having a job or sufficient income yourself?
lol. I was laid off in Nov 2008 and have only had some temp Census jobs since. UI ran out Dec 2010. May have to be realistic about the poor job market here in CA. Other states not as bad. People need to realize that our society has changed and will never be what it was.

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Post by lizalphonso on Sat Apr 02, 2011 3:12 pm

54andpoor wrote:
Injeun wrote:
54andpoor wrote:I'm afraid it's now time to call the 99ers 'Permanently Unemployed'. After being unemployed for 2+ years and it taking 10 years at the current rate to go back down to unemployment levels like 2005, the 99ers have little chance of becoming part of mainstream America again. If you are in your 50's, hope you can last until SS and Medicare.

Does the courage by which you state manys worst fears spring from having a job or sufficient income yourself?
lol. I was laid off in Nov 2008 and have only had some temp Census jobs since. UI ran out Dec 2010. May have to be realistic about the poor job market here in CA. Other states not as bad. People need to realize that our society has changed and will never be what it was.

Sadly I agree with you. In this economic environment one must do what it takes. I don't want to move away from children and grandchildren but if that is what it takes to get back to work I will.
Beggars can't be choosers.

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Post by Guest on Sat Apr 02, 2011 4:01 pm

I don't know about anyone else, but it would have to be one hell of a job offer to move out of state. The offer would have to include traveling expenses, money for a place stay etc....Most of the 99ers have already lost everything and probably have no $$ to just up and leave and set up in a new state. It would be great if it were possible. Most of us barely have the money to make it to the corner store let alone traveling expenses and money for a new place to live. For many, it is too late.

For those of you that still have some sort of income maybe it is a good avenue to pursue. Make sure the state you're looking at has a low unemployment rate (there aren't many)

We didn't know 2 yrs ago that it was going to be like this. I know my husband thought it would be easy to just go get another job, but boy was he wrong...been trying to get another job in and out of his field for more than 2 yrs now.

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Post by Guest on Sat Apr 02, 2011 4:14 pm

lizalphonso wrote:
54andpoor wrote:
Injeun wrote:
54andpoor wrote:I'm afraid it's now time to call the 99ers 'Permanently Unemployed'. After being unemployed for 2+ years and it taking 10 years at the current rate to go back down to unemployment levels like 2005, the 99ers have little chance of becoming part of mainstream America again. If you are in your 50's, hope you can last until SS and Medicare.

Does the courage by which you state manys worst fears spring from having a job or sufficient income yourself?
lol. I was laid off in Nov 2008 and have only had some temp Census jobs since. UI ran out Dec 2010. May have to be realistic about the poor job market here in CA. Other states not as bad. People need to realize that our society has changed and will never be what it was.

Sadly I agree with you. In this economic environment one must do what it takes. I don't want to move away from children and grandchildren but if that is what it takes to get back to work I will.
Beggars can't be choosers.

I am not a begger. Looking back over the past three years has put things into perspective for me. I lost more than material things. I lost close family members way too soon, 3 of them within 3 months in 2009. I have looked in NH, they claim the ue rate is a little over 5% - still have found nothing. Unfortunately, no matter where I go, the simple fact that I am a 99er will hinder any hope of finding a job anywhere. I'll stay here, thank you. At least I won't be alone.

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Post by lizalphonso on Sat Apr 02, 2011 5:47 pm

DesperateInRI wrote:
lizalphonso wrote:
54andpoor wrote:
Injeun wrote:
54andpoor wrote:I'm afraid it's now time to call the 99ers 'Permanently Unemployed'. After being unemployed for 2+ years and it taking 10 years at the current rate to go back down to unemployment levels like 2005, the 99ers have little chance of becoming part of mainstream America again. If you are in your 50's, hope you can last until SS and Medicare.

Does the courage by which you state manys worst fears spring from having a job or sufficient income yourself?
lol. I was laid off in Nov 2008 and have only had some temp Census jobs since. UI ran out Dec 2010. May have to be realistic about the poor job market here in CA. Other states not as bad. People need to realize that our society has changed and will never be what it was.

Sadly I agree with you. In this economic environment one must do what it takes. I don't want to move away from children and grandchildren but if that is what it takes to get back to work I will.
Beggars can't be choosers.

I am not a begger. Looking back over the past three years has put things into perspective for me. I lost more than material things. I lost close family members way too soon, 3 of them within 3 months in 2009. I have looked in NH, they claim the ue rate is a little over 5% - still have found nothing. Unfortunately, no matter where I go, the simple fact that I am a 99er will hinder any hope of finding a job anywhere. I'll stay here, thank you. At least I won't be alone.

I don't believe anyone called you a beggar? Simply stating my opinion as it relates to my circumstances , if that is allowed?
Personally I will suck it up and relocate if it will get me back to work. I know that no one owes me anything and I prefer going back to work as opposed to sitting around another year waiting for something to change or asking family for more help.
My comments were not directed at you so do not take offense. I was responding to 54 and poor. That kind of response will limit my future participation as it was not warranted.

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Post by Guest on Sat Apr 02, 2011 6:02 pm

Just having a bad day. Who knew 3 years ago when I was laid off that I would still be sitting here today with no job. As much as we need HR589 to pass, we need to stop the blatant age discrimination as well as employers denying the long term unemployed jobs.

I just feel that no matter where I go, there will be nothing for me. People have to do what they have to in this economy to survive. I just pray that I can make it until a miracle happens and I find a something....anything.

With the toll that LTU has taken on me mentally and physically, I really don't want to be alone.

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Post by troycomic on Sat Apr 02, 2011 6:10 pm

not only are jobs hard to find, but ones out there pay squat. like I said before this whole thing just created a cheaper labor force.

I hope to get a job with a landscaper. I am only seeing ones for $8 an hr. My friend, who still has a great job, says to take it. But I feel if the guy is only paying $8 what kind of guy is he? Why not just make it an even $10, or a respectable $15 an hr.

The work force and job market has indeed shifted to the favor of the business.

Capitalism made us, and Capitalism hurt us. So when people said Oboma will turn the US into a socialist country I said Good. It will never happen I know, but capitalism has not benefited the "entire" country.

The country will never fully heal. Pretty soon America will look like an 70's movie.

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Post by Injeun on Sat Apr 02, 2011 7:25 pm

54andpoor wrote:
Injeun wrote:
54andpoor wrote:I'm afraid it's now time to call the 99ers 'Permanently Unemployed'. After being unemployed for 2+ years and it taking 10 years at the current rate to go back down to unemployment levels like 2005, the 99ers have little chance of becoming part of mainstream America again. If you are in your 50's, hope you can last until SS and Medicare.

Does the courage by which you state manys worst fears spring from having a job or sufficient income yourself?
lol. I was laid off in Nov 2008 and have only had some temp Census jobs since. UI ran out Dec 2010. May have to be realistic about the poor job market here in CA. Other states not as bad. People need to realize that our society has changed and will never be what it was.

I see, thanks. The reason I asked is that many unemployed are encompassed by great fear and darkness...even a sense of hopelessness. Which is understandable given the threat of losing everything. And when you mention things not improving, it gives some a sense of even greater fear rather than motivation. It's good though that you cleared that up. Many have not been able to find any type of work or source of income. I myself have applied for food stamps and am doing part time work for rent concessions.

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Post by mistermunster on Sat Apr 02, 2011 10:49 pm

54andpoor wrote:
Injeun wrote:
54andpoor wrote:I'm afraid it's now time to call the 99ers 'Permanently Unemployed'. After being unemployed for 2+ years and it taking 10 years at the current rate to go back down to unemployment levels like 2005, the 99ers have little chance of becoming part of mainstream America again. If you are in your 50's, hope you can last until SS and Medicare.

Does the courage by which you state manys worst fears spring from having a job or sufficient income yourself?
lol. I was laid off in Nov 2008 and have only had some temp Census jobs since. UI ran out Dec 2010. May have to be realistic about the poor job market here in CA. Other states not as bad. People need to realize that our society has changed and will never be what it was.

People need to realize that our society has changed and will never be what it was.

I see this A LOT outside on other places and articles. This is a DEFEATIST attitude, plain and simple. The facts are WE as a whole need to FIGHT the system and those EVIL people who brought this upon us all. To just say IT'S OVER and live with it is just surrendering to their crimes against you and saying they won. Not me buster. Mad

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Post by mistermunster on Sat Apr 02, 2011 11:04 pm

troycomic wrote:not only are jobs hard to find, but ones out there pay squat. like I said before this whole thing just created a cheaper labor force.

I hope to get a job with a landscaper. I am only seeing ones for $8 an hr. My friend, who still has a great job, says to take it. But I feel if the guy is only paying $8 what kind of guy is he? Why not just make it an even $10, or a respectable $15 an hr.

The work force and job market has indeed shifted to the favor of the business.

Capitalism made us, and Capitalism hurt us. So when people said Oboma will turn the US into a socialist country I said Good. It will never happen I know, but capitalism has not benefited the "entire" country.

The country will never fully heal. Pretty soon America will look like an 70's movie.

Capitalism as it stands IS a failure. It's a failure because the people WHO were elected in GOOD FAITH to help the people have SOLD us OUT. The laws and everything else have been written to ENRICH the wealthy. The corrupting of peoples souls are at question in all this and with this nation reveling in the "ME" first mentality for 30 years gave the elite few to SLOWLY take control, bit by bit. We are really not a Capitalist society now but rather a Corporate Fascists society that uses things like Nationalism and pseudo-Capitalism to keep people at odds that things have not changed. They feed US all in the OLD ways but all the while they have corrupted and usurped the whole process. When stuff like this happen and history have proven it. You either DIE as a nation or physically fight to regain control back.

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Post by Guest on Sat Apr 02, 2011 11:37 pm

mistermunster wrote:
54andpoor wrote:
Injeun wrote:
54andpoor wrote:I'm afraid it's now time to call the 99ers 'Permanently Unemployed'. After being unemployed for 2+ years and it taking 10 years at the current rate to go back down to unemployment levels like 2005, the 99ers have little chance of becoming part of mainstream America again. If you are in your 50's, hope you can last until SS and Medicare.

Does the courage by which you state manys worst fears spring from having a job or sufficient income yourself?
lol. I was laid off in Nov 2008 and have only had some temp Census jobs since. UI ran out Dec 2010. May have to be realistic about the poor job market here in CA. Other states not as bad. People need to realize that our society has changed and will never be what it was.

People need to realize that our society has changed and will never be what it was.

I see this A LOT outside on other places and articles. This is a DEFEATIST attitude, plain and simple. The facts are WE as a whole need to FIGHT the system and those EVIL people who brought this upon us all. To just say IT'S OVER and live with it is just surrendering to their crimes against you and saying they won. Not me buster. Mad

I agree.

The people of this country have become so passive that it has allowed this to happen. Back in the sixties and seventies people took the streets in protest and stood up for themselves and their rights. They were heard and a lot of things changed because of it.

Its going to take that kind of protesting again. Its just a matter of time before more and more people figure out that they have been greatly deceived. We cant let them do this to us. I am not just talking about unemployment benefits. The GOP and some Dems have gotten away with murder. They are gutting the middle class and we have been ignoring it for years now. Its time to start fighting back! This is our country too, not just the rich elite and politicians! Its not just up to the politicians to make sure our interests are protected, it is up to us too.

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Post by Kathy on Sat Apr 02, 2011 11:44 pm

Eventually things will get so bad that the government will be forced to do something for the unemployed. How much longer will this take though? Hopefully soon.

Thanks for this venting topic. Getting real tired of all the be positive messages all the time. It is good to vent sometimes.

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Post by mistermunster on Sun Apr 03, 2011 12:28 am

Kathy wrote:Eventually things will get so bad that the government will be forced to do something for the unemployed. How much longer will this take though? Hopefully soon.

Thanks for this venting topic. Getting real tired of all the be positive messages all the time. It is good to vent sometimes.

Being positive with a Pollyanna attitude just doesn't work anymore. Serious damage has been done and certain people and organizations are RESPONSIBLE for it. Being positive is a GOOD thing but it's NO good if it makes you blind to the REAL evil out there. Knowing your enemy and NEVER underestimating them is the best tactic in a battle to defeat it. People of this nation have been underestimating the enemy for 30 years.

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Post by superstevies on Mon Apr 04, 2011 1:55 pm

O.K. so it's monday after the "BIG MEETING" of the CBC & The President. I think they owe it to us by now to say more than YES H.R.589 was discussed.

This bill is just beginning to smell a lot like the Senate S.3706 bill....REALLY STINKY!!!! & I am starting to feel led by the CBC like Sen. Stabenow. I don't think I can put myself though this all over again & for even less.

We need this passed yesterday along with legislation that would fine the hellziez out of company's that will not hire long term unemployed.

This is not a repbulican bashing paragraph (I am one) but WOW! what the heck does the GOP think is going to happend when they portrayed us as big fat, lazy, alcoholic, druggy check collectors during every unemployment extension battle with the senate last year. Now that there are companies hiring, they think we are lazy loosers. I blame the GOP for this! Now they owe it to us to help in ANY & EVERY way they can.

I changed my affiliation to a democrat. Even if they are shady and just tell me what I want to hear and have not a lot of actions. I just can sit here any longer and see every social program for poor people in the country cut to nothing. At least sometime it's comforting to hear somebody is in favor of helping you even if they don't.

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Post by Guest on Mon Apr 04, 2011 2:39 pm

I know how you feel Steve. They are taking their sweet time about everything. Not only do we stand a chance of not receiving the additional weeks, but everything on the chopping block is aimed at people like us. WTH are we supposed to do?

I got my annual Social Security statement on Saturday and I wanted to cry. These last few years not working or paying into SS is going to devastate me if I make it until my retirement age.

What is wrong with Congress? I can't understand how they can just stall over stupid things while human beings that they claim to represent are beyond suffering at this point.

This whole issue should have been addressed a year ago when the first of the "99ers" ran out of benefits. It is obvious that we are not lazy free loaders or we would have taken any job by now. The problem is with people in our age bracket - employers don't want us. In addition to the age discrimination now we have strikes against us for being unemployed for too long.

The fact that nothing was done last year makes me mad as hell, and I blame both sides. It is easy to ignore us, how can we fight back with no money or no backing. Sooner or later this is going to catch up to them. More and more people are going to fall off of unemployment so that is less money put back into the economy, resulting in more job losses and eventually lead to another great recession (I know we are still in the recession that started in 2007, but they won't admit to that). I have said it before, when it happens again, and I do believe it will be soon, we won't be affected by it this time - we have nothing left to lose. This time it will be the greedy corporations that are going to lose. I hate to say it, but maybe that is what we need to wake people up.

The way Congress is working right now, we are heading into a downhill spiral that will result in something much worse than we saw a couple years ago.

Sorry for being negative, needed to vent. This is really beyond frustrating now. I am angry.

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Post by 54andpoor on Mon Apr 04, 2011 2:46 pm

Time for all the unemployed 50 and 60 year olds to start communes and live off the land to survive until they can collect SS. The long term unemployed are suffering because of Americans short news cycle attention span.

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Post by gettheminNOVEMBER on Mon Apr 04, 2011 2:57 pm

http://www.crewof42.com/?p=5178

Obama Meeting: Cleaver Says Cost of 99ers Bill “Prohibitive” Better start calling the White house its not looking good.

I am done with OBUMMER!

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Post by Judi58 on Mon Apr 04, 2011 3:06 pm

Ok re-election time... IF HR589 goes through and the unemplyment rate shows 15% plus.. I think he will blow his next term so I see no way they "Goverment will allow the bill to pass ..
People be damn.... the attitude I see. I stand by it has been said over and over ..
LET THEM EAT CAKE... OUR GOVERMENT DOES NOT CARE...

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Post by troycomic on Mon Apr 04, 2011 3:07 pm

The government will only do something id it affects the whole country.

Each month is a new set of 99ers. They waited to see it the first few "sets" of 99ers got jobs once they ran out of UI, like some experts said would happen.
Some got jobs some didn't.

The gov. basically gave us money to live off of. So when we reached 99 weeks they said
1. let them live off their savings, credit cards, family and friends
2. force some into early retirement, leaving room for newbies
3. separate the go getters from the lazy (not many lazies but there are some)
4. Create a cheaper work force for their contributers
AND THE MOST IMPORTANT

5. LETS FIGURE OUT IF A TIER 5 GETS US ELECTED OR KEEPS US FROM GETTING ELECTED.

All anything is, is about votes votes votes.

GET REAL MINDED MY FRIENDS AT "UNEMPLOYED FRIENDS".....

IF THE RIGHT THING WAS DONE WE WOULD BE FIGHTING FOR A TIER 8!!!

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Post by troycomic on Mon Apr 04, 2011 3:13 pm

54andpoor wrote:Time for all the unemployed 50 and 60 year olds to start communes and live off the land to survive until they can collect SS. The long term unemployed are suffering because of Americans short news cycle attention span.

Unfortunatlly you are so right, and the 50 & 60 year olds have some experience in hippie communes. But does you "retirement village have an age restriction. Because there are a lot of 40 30 & 20 year olds that are in the same sinking boat as you.

Find some Native American Indians and start a reservation, and of course build a casino!!!

I would love to see some bankers loose their money to you.

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Post by 54andpoor on Mon Apr 04, 2011 3:15 pm

Kathy wrote:Eventually things will get so bad that the government will be forced to do something for the unemployed. How much longer will this take though? Hopefully soon.

Thanks for this venting topic. Getting real tired of all the be positive messages all the time. It is good to vent sometimes.
Maybe we'll be smarter than the oppressed in the Middle East who took decades to do what was necessary to change things. I fear we are too entertained and distracted as a society to ever mount the forces necessary to have the revolution the middle class needs here. Things will be bad for only a limited number of people like us and the unaffected have moved on with their lives.

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